#151
Igor Belanov wrote:
Both of those were better than the latest single, which is cheesy and annoying beyond belief. At least ‘So Why So Sad’ recognised that they couldn’t pull off the old magic and was trying something in a different style.
Posted on Thu, 10 May 2007 at 09:45
#152
Dennis wrote:
I don’t agree, I think SWSS was cheesy beyond belief - and made all the worse by the fact that it came out the same day as Found That Soul, which I thought was an excellent song, which got completely overshadowed.
On Love of Richard Nixon, James just sounds bored, though I do like it.
I think the new song sounds more vibrant, alive than they have for a while, and whilst it is a bit naff in some ways, in other ways it’s catchy pop.
I think it says it all about the dilemma the band are in that Underdogs was released as a free download via the webset yet YLAINE is the first single proper - by far the more likely to appeal to the post-EMG fans. Underdogs at least has some of their old bite.
Posted on Thu, 10 May 2007 at 09:58
#153
Charlie wrote:
:D The Underdogs have bite.
Posted on Thu, 10 May 2007 at 13:09
#154
buffalo-boy wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Condemned to Rock N Roll?!
OMG!
:eek:
*kills self for not buying tickets*
Whoops, I didn’t plan on being responsible for someone else’s death! They didn’t even play the whole song…!
:eek: :p
Posted on Thu, 10 May 2007 at 13:55
#155
Dennis wrote:
Not the whole song? Ah, in that case..
*unkills self*
Phew, that were a close shave!
Posted on Thu, 10 May 2007 at 14:12
#156
Taunty Dan wrote:
LunacyBooth wrote:
go on then. :)
@Den/Squall: So why so sad is ACE! And the nixon one is ok, not great. Sorry guys but everything since Everything must go is pap.
Posted on Thu, 10 May 2007 at 18:31
#157
Charlie wrote:
Know your Enemy has some great songs, but Lifeblood isnt pap, its POP :D
Posted on Thu, 10 May 2007 at 21:02
#158
Taunty Dan wrote:
Posted on Thu, 10 May 2007 at 22:00
#159
Dennis wrote:
Lifeblood is neither Pop nor Pap to me.
It sounds like a band going for the (early) New Order kind of detached/electronic/cold/austere sound, which is ok up to a point, but it is difficult to emotionally connect with an album that has been deliberately written in such a way.
So Why So Sad, I maintain, is one of the very lowest points of the Manics’ career. A truly dire single.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 09:19
#160
romy wrote:
Dire is much too nice a word for that song. That was the beginning of the end of my Manics-love.
However - I’ve heard some more songs from SATT now and they weren’t all that bad.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 11:55
#161
buffalo-boy wrote:
Nicky Wire reckons their worst single ever is Love’s Sweet Exile. I can see his point but SWSS is definately worse. :)
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 12:30
#162
Igor Belanov wrote:
That helps to explain why they’ve gone so far down the cheesiness route. Love’s Sweet Exile is by no means a classic, but not at all a bad song. Plus the lyrics far outshine anything Wire has written for the last 10 years. If they dislike their early stuff, when they had drive and energy, there’s no wonder they’ve sunk so far.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 12:39
#163
Charlie wrote:
Nicky says EMG is their best album.
Thoughts ?
For the record I like all their albums, including KYE and Lifeblood. I liked LifeBlood immediately and still do.
But Send Away The Tigers, for me is the best album since EMG.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 13:31
#164
Dennis wrote:
I wonder if Wire’s view is biased by the fact that he had so much involvement in EMG compared to previous efforts.
It was certainly a strong period for the band but to say the album is their best is a bit too flattering when you consider songs like The Girl Who Wanted To Be God.
Bradfield seems to suggest that the Holy Bible was their best moment, on the Holy Bible DVD, which I would have to agree with 100%
In terms of the look, sound, lyrics - the complete package, the Holy Bible was the time in their career that I prefer.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 14:07
#165
buffalo-boy wrote:
I prefer to think of it in years - and 93 to 98 were their trump years, Gold, Bible and EMG were all great. My Truth, not so good but they finally got to make some decent money so fair fucks to em.
They are good again now so we should be happy for that!
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 14:30
#166
not_that_kind_of_guy (a story on the radio) wrote:
buffalo-boy wrote:
The audience was made up of fat, balding businessmen - there were no cool people there at all!
i have to agree with you there. the crowd was a bit rubbish. also, i think i may have outgrown them now aswell. i mean, it was a great gig, great set etc but it just seemed a bit flat. probably though this is mainly due to the fact that it was the manics and in my mind i still kind of expect them to be the most exciting band i’ve ever seen every time i see them. if it were any other band who’d played that gig, i’d be saying “great, fantastic, blinder” etc. but as it was i just haven’t thought about it much since tuesday. meh. i must be getting old.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 14:32
#167
Dennis wrote:
I’ve seen them more times than any other band, and they are one of the most inconsistent bands around - even on the same tour.
Seen them be fantastic, seen them be average, seen them be “hmm, quite good, I suppose..”.
I remember saying pretty much what you say above after the EMG tour, but I thought they were storming at Wolverhampton on the Lifeblood tour, despite the fact that it was the, um, Lifeblood tour!
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 14:46
#168
not_that_kind_of_guy (a story on the radio) wrote:
@ dennis: wasn’t that wolves gig on the PPF tour though? they had kind of realised by then that lifeblood was a dead duck. and i agree, they were fantastic on that tour.
this was my tenth manics gig and, as i say, although it was “good”, it was probably the worst i’ve seen them.
and goddammit, we didn’t get sleepflower but the next night in leeds they played it. arse.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 14:54
#169
Superunknown wrote:
buffalo-boy wrote:
Nicky Wire reckons their worst single ever is Love’s Sweet Exile. I can see his point but SWSS is definately worse. :)
I thought Wire hated “The Everlasting” the most.
Well, anyway…
Although I initially didn’t care about “Lifeblood” at all, I just can’t see now how so many people dislike it. It’s a quiet, introspective album, get over it. Some of their most beautiful songs are on there!
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 18:52
#170
not_that_kind_of_guy (a story on the radio) wrote:
wire is full of shit all the time. wire promised us extra long set’s on this tour.
he is a man. who has. an anus. for a mouth.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 19:50
#171
Charlie wrote:
Superunknown wrote:
I thought Wire hated “The Everlasting” the most.
Well, anyway…
Although I initially didn’t care about “Lifeblood” at all, I just can’t see now how so many people dislike it. It’s a quiet, introspective album, get over it. Some of their most beautiful songs are on there!
Indeed - Empty Souls, 1985, I live to fall asleep, Glasnost to name a few.
Posted on Fri, 11 May 2007 at 20:53
#172
Guy wrote:
I’m a bit sceptical. I got to know the Manics because of the singles from EMG, remained a fan for the next few years. I liked Know your enemy a lot. Next; they cancel their European tour, because their record company told them to write and record new songs for a best of, because KYE didn’t sell. Lifeblood, for me, was a big disappointment. I was planning on not buying this new record or going to see them in Amsterdam (I still have never seen them live).
I can imagine people saying in a few months “you know, SATT wasn’t that good after all”, because they mereley hope and want it to be.
Is it really good?
Posted on Sat, 12 May 2007 at 07:44
#173
not_that_kind_of_guy (a story on the radio) wrote:
@Guy: Quote “I can imagine people saying in a few months “you know, SATT wasn’t that good after all”, because they mereley hope and want it to be.”
yep i agree. i have already changed my mind. a whole 6 days after the album officially came out. it’s good, infact it’s very good, but for me the live thing was what it was always about. and now they’ve just become “another” live band who are quite good but nothing spectacular as they used to be. it used to be a huge event on my calendar when i saw the manics. after this weeks gig, it’s just another thing to do rather than watch the telly or go to sleep.
Posted on Sat, 12 May 2007 at 10:05
#174
Taunty Dan wrote:
The Manics are one of the most frustrating bands around. For Me Guy has hit the nail on the head, this time next year SATT will be largely forgotten, and for why? Because, in my opinion, Manics fans try to make themselves like recent albums. I’m not knocking anyone,cos i’m a fan myself, but i just don’t kid myself! I know that if “motorcycle emptiness” or “you love us” comes on in a club i’m gonna go mental, but if “Your love alone” came on i probably wouldn’t even notice.
Posted on Sat, 12 May 2007 at 11:08
#175
buffalo-boy wrote:
Thats what happened to me! Only i’ve got over it and refuse to buy stuff now just cos it has the Manics name on it, and i really don’t care for the new album even though I like what i’ve heard - Patsy and Autumn Song are alright.
Re the live thing - i’m glad i’m not the only one who thinks that! I really wanted to get into it but despite a great setlist it all seemed a bit forced and cabaret.
And to be fair to squall, yes those songs ARE good on Lifeblood but …Richard Nixon (the comeback single remember?) was absolute monkey sweat and Emily is one of their worst ever songs! It gets a 4/10 from me that album for being so dreary. I noticed they didn’t play ONE song off it live this time round - has anyone seen t hem play anything off it yet this tour?
Posted on Mon, 14 May 2007 at 07:25
#176
Dennis wrote:
Taunty Dan wrote:
The Manics are one of the most frustrating bands around. For Me Guy has hit the nail on the head, this time next year SATT will be largely forgotten, and for why? Because, in my opinion, Manics fans try to make themselves like recent albums. I’m not knocking anyone,cos i’m a fan myself, but i just don’t kid myself! I know that if “motorcycle emptiness” or “you love us” comes on in a club i’m gonna go mental, but if “Your love alone” came on i probably wouldn’t even notice.
If Motorcycle Emptiness comes on the radio, I am the first to change channels. Sick of the song, personally!
Posted on Mon, 14 May 2007 at 10:30
#177
buffalo-boy wrote:
Now if Die In the Summertime came on the radio - that would be cool! ;)
Posted on Mon, 14 May 2007 at 10:50
#178
Taunty Dan wrote:
Dennis wrote:
If Motorcycle Emptiness comes on the radio, I am the first to change channels. Sick of the song, personally!
thats cos you’re not really a fan. Bet you didn’t even know they had an album before holy bible did you? :p
Well thy did. And it was called. *goes bank* Goldy terrorism soul. Against. Erm something. But anyhoo, it had that song of theirs on, y’know ,that..erm…one…So you like the new album eh? Thats swell. :) *legs it*
Posted on Mon, 14 May 2007 at 18:58
#179
Dennis wrote:
Fuck me Dan, call yourself a real Manics fan?!
EVERYONE knows they started with the album A Design For Life (featuring of course the single Motorcycle Emptiness), then they did My Truth Is Not What You Say My Truth Is But If You Show Me Yours I Will Show You Mine, and now they have released their third album, Lock Up The Tigers*
(*OK OK I admit, they also released Lifeblood, but shhhh we don’t mention that one…)
Posted on Tue, 15 May 2007 at 08:51
#180
LunacyBooth wrote:
Quote (author unknown):
(*OK OK I admit, they also released Lifeblood, but shhhh we don’t mention that one…)
Why not? It’s great :D
Posted on Tue, 15 May 2007 at 09:06
