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Started by hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator

Continuing the way off topic discussion going on in Gemil Gurning

Mrs H wrote:

@Virokokka - are you seriously trying to suggest that you wouldn’t be able to drink coke if they didn’t sell it on college premises? If you really want to support a company that is responsible for so much sickness, misery and death then you could buy your coke from Tesco and double the damage

Virokokka wrote:

I don’t drink coke
I was just saying that the students should be educated on how much cola sucks rather than just taking it from them.

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 15:42

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

There are a lot of schools and colleges that have banned Coca Cola, not only on grounds of their appalling human rights abuses, but also because it doesn’t have a single redeeming feature in terms of health and shouldn’t actively be promoted as an appropriate drink for children/young people.

Yes, students at your college should be educated about Coca Cola, and if they were then I think it’d be pretty easy to get 51% of them never to drink it again.

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 15:45

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Dennis wrote:

Who wants Coke anyway? have you SEEN how many calories are in it?!

*tucks into his nineteenth Cadbury Creme Egg since lunch*

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 15:46

#3

Dennis wrote:

Actually regarding my rather flippant post above, i think there is a valid point hidden amongst my usual smarm, which is that we DO know that Coke is basically sugar and a whole load of other equally un-nutricious things but we still buy it in droves.
And that is leaving aside the human rights issues associated with the brand.

So what is it about us human nature that lets us look at a label and think “yeuch, look at the crap they put in this stuff…”…before carrying on with consuming it anyway?

And my love for chocolate and energy drinks* which I make light of on here makes me a prime culprite of this, so I am asking myself too.

(*and curry. And doner meat and chips. And pizza. And chinese food. And alcohol. And weed. And those nice McCoys Sweet Chili Chicken crisps (really, you HAVE to try them…)…etc etc )

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 15:51

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mrs h wrote:

My apologies Virokokka - i agree that the students should be educated :)

And then have it taken from them, simply as a precaution :p

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 17:33

#5

Paddy wrote:

but what do i put in Jack Daniels if there’s no coke?!??!?!?!?!?!?!

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 20:16

#6

Taunty Dan wrote:

EXACTLY. Leave our coke alone! Fuck human rights abuse it tastes ace with whiskey!

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 20:44

#7

mrs h wrote:

I just can’t laugh, sorry …

COCA COLA WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN ASSASSINATED

AVELINO ACHICANOY ERAZO

Worker at Embotelladora Nariñense S.A. -COCA COLA [Nariño Bottlers Ltd] in the city of Pasto in south west Colombia. He was assassinated by a shot through the right ear on 30th July 1990, at a time when the workers were on strike because their employer had refused to negotiate a set of demands presented by the Sintradingascol (Colombian National Union of Fizzy Drinks Workers). Avelino was member of the union’s Executive Committee and a member of the strike committee.

JOSÉ ELEASAR MANCO DAVID

A workers at Bebidas y Alimentos de Urabá S.A. -COCA COLA [Drinks and Foods of Urabá] in the town of Carepa, in Urabá, Antioquia. A leader of Sinaltrainal in that rich banana region in the north west of Colombia. He was assassinated on 8th April 1994.

LUIS ENRIQUE GIRALDO ARANGO

He worked for at Bebidas y Alimentos de Urabá S.A. -COCA COLA., in Carepa for 17 years. A member of Sinaltrainal, Luis was assassinated on 20th April 1994.

LUIS ENRIQUE GÓMEZ GRANADO

Also a worker at Bebidas y Alimentos de Urabá S.A. -COCA COLA- in Carepa. A regional leader of the union. He was assassinated in front of his wife and children at the door of his house in Carepa on 23rd April 1995.

ISIDRO SEGUNDO GIL GIL

Another worker at Bebidas y Alimentos de Urabá S.A. -COCA COLA in Carepa. The last post he fulfilled for Sinaltrainal was the union’s Secretary General and a member of the negotiating team that had presented demands to the employer on 30th November 1996, but the employer refused to negotiate. He was assassinated at his work post inside the Carepa plant on 6th December 1996. His brother Martín Emilio Gil Gil was an adviser to Sinaltrainal in these negotiations. Martín had had to renounce his job at the same employer due to continuous death threats. On 18th November 2000, ALCIRA DEL CARMEN HERRERA PEREZ, the wife of Isidro Segundo, was pulled out of her home in Apartadó - Urabá, Antioquia and assassinated a few yards away.

JOSÉ LIBARDO HERRERA OSORIO

At about 5.00pm on 26th December 1996 this gentleman aged 65 years old and a worker for Coca Cola in Carepa, was taken by force from the plant by heavily armed men, presumed to be paramilitaries, and assassinated near to the cemetery at Chigorodó. Señor Herrera had been working as Head of Technical Maintenance.

GUILLERMO GÓMEZ MAIGUAL

Worker with Embotelladora Nariñense “Embonar” Ltda. -COCA COLA- [Nariño Bottlers Ltd.] where he was a Sinaltrainal leader. He committed suicide by poisoning on 20th April 1998 inside the bottling plant, due to the economic difficulties of the workers and their families. This situation was a result of the cancellation of the franchise contract by Coca Cola with Embonar Ltda on 1st June 1996 Coca Cola, which occasioned closing the plant and sacking 150 workers, liquidating the Collective Agreement and the union organisation in Pasto. A note was found in Guillermo’s clothes, saying that he had made his decision due to “the total crisis” that he found himself in. The workers stayed in the plant for more than 2 years, fighting for the payment of their labour credits. When the workers evacuated the plant it was bought for a derisory sum by Panamco Colombia S.A. -Coca Cola- and reopened with temporay workers with lower wages, without a trade union and without a collective agreement.

ADOLFO DE JESÚS MÚNERA LÓPEZ

Ex-worker at the Coca Cola plant in Barranquilla, Atlántico department. He was assassinated at 7 p.m. on 31st August 2002 at the door of his mother’s home in en the “el Bosque” [the Woods] district of the city. Coca Cola had sacked him on 6th April 1997 after his home had been raided by state forces as a result of him being marked out by the employer. In this same year svereal Sinaltrainal leaders were imprisoned in Bucaramanga, having been branded by Coca Cola as reposnible for terrorism and rebellion. The comrades had been placed at liberty when this assassination occurred.

ÓSCAR DARÍO SOTO POLO

A worker with Embotelladoras Román S.A. -COCA COLA {Román Bottlers] at the Montería plant in Córdoba departament. He was a leader of Sindicato Nacional de Trabajadores de la Industria de las Bebidas en Colombia [Colombian National Union of Drinks Industry Workers] “Sinaltrainbec” and a member of the delegation presenting the workers demands to the employer on behalf of his union and Sinaltrainal. He was assassinated on 21st June 2001 in Montería, when we were negotiating these demands.

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 21:11

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mrs h wrote:

And I know that’s old, but it’s still happening :(

*cries*

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 21:16

#9

Dennis wrote:

That’s very well researched mrs h, but I can’t help feeling like you may have plagiarised some of your homework there…

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 21:20

#10

Taunty Dan wrote:

sorry and all that but really i couldn’t care less.

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 21:23

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mrs h wrote:

It’s entirely plagiarised, but I wanted to post something with actual names in. Do you want the hardcore stuff? I could pull up the court cases if you like :p

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 21:23

#12

mrs h wrote:

That was at Dennis, because it had the pokey tongue thing.

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 21:23

#13

Taunty Dan wrote:

meaning?

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 21:30

#14

hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

Taunty Dan wrote:

sorry and all that but really i couldn’t care less.

I just lost a lot of respect for you :(

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 23:05 in reply to an earlier post

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CS (Colin S) wrote:

I’m sort of agreeing with Dan here.
People are assinated all over the world and no-one ever really cares.

It’s not that I don’t care (well to be honest I don’t really..) but it’s that it’s not something that concerns me.

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 23:51

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CS (Colin S) wrote:

It should say assassinated…

Posted on Tue, 11 December 2007 at 23:51

#17

Dennis wrote:

Taunty Dan wrote:

sorry and all that but really i couldn’t care less.

Is Dan in the minority here…? I honestly don’t think he is. I mean, how many of us will stop buying coca cola?
I know I won’t - even though I know I should.

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 09:53

Last edited by Teethgrinder on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:25 (Corrected use of quotes)

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Dermot (The Derm) wrote:

Ever since my girlfriend watched that Mark Thomas prog on Ch 4 about Coca Cola she won’t buy it and hates me drinking it. So I’ve had to drink my night cap of Jack Daniels with Pepsi recently ;-(

Is Pepsi morally OK??

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 10:23

#19

Dennis wrote:

Are you kidding me?! Did you SEE what they did to We Will Rock You on their advert?! :mad:

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 10:26

#20

Dermot (The Derm) wrote:

Point taken :-D

It’s TESCOs own brand coke from now on

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 10:49

#21

mrs h wrote:

I saw the Mark Thomas thing live on stage, I haven’t bought coke since, and I will never buy it again.

@ Dennis - If you are happy with the fact that people are being tortured and murdered simply for attempting to assert their rights as human beings, and want to continue channeling your money into making torturers and murderers rich whilst making sure that the families of their employees can’t afford to eat then good for you. Colin is a child so I don’t expect him to be anything other than ignorant and typically selfish, but I’m really surprised and disappointed by Dan. And you say you won’t stop buying coke, but maybe next time you put some in your shopping trolley you will at least think about what you are doing, and maybe in the end you will do the right thing because you find you want to. I hope so anyway :)

@Dermot - Drink whisky and ginger instead. It’s divine :) Not Canada Dry though …

*goes off to start Canada Dry thread*

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 10:56

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

Personally, I’m not a big cola drinker anyway but I would have it as a mixer. As soon as I learnt about how Coca Cola run their business I decided I wouldn’t buy it and I don’t. (re the Pepsi question, try http://www.mcspotlight.org/beyond/companies/pepsico.html)

What I don’t understand is how you can see awful things happening (e.g. paramilitaries murdering trade unionists because unions = communist, the forced labour of children for pitiful amounts amounts of money in appalling working conditions) and not want to do something. It’s really not difficult to not buy Coca Cola or not wear clothes that say GAP on them.

It’s about awareness and choice. If you are aware that by buying a certain product you are helping an unethical company to continue in their practices and you still choose to do so that’s your right but I, personally, find that utterly pathetic.

How hard is it to go to the supermarket and choose the teabags or bananas that say ‘fair trade’ on them? It’s really fucking not.

How hard is it to log on to uswitch.com and choose Ecotricity instead of nPower, especially when they’re no more expensive? It’s really fucking not.

How hard is it to change your bank to the Co-Op or somewhere where you know your money will be used to support ethical and environmentally sound developments? It’s really fucking not

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

*goes to Vent Your Spleen and weeps for humanity*

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:10

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Macker wrote:

nike are really bad to their workers, KFC are bad to their chickens, coke are allegedly causing people to be assassinated! sure if you were to listen to all the things these big multinational companies or even small companies are doing you’d stop buying everything! Where there’s big money to be made, there’s unethical practices going on!

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:25

#24

Macker wrote:

Is that just the way the world is today IT REALLY FUCKING IS!

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:27

#25

Cuchulain wrote:

@ mrs h : Just wondering here in how far those assassinations in Colombia should be related to Coca Cola as a company , or to the country as a whole in which kidnappings and assassinations seem the the order of the day.
Not defending Coca Cola for producing in dodgy countries that are notorious for corruption on all levels , but I find it hard to draw a line somewhere when there are hundreds of world-wide brands that in one way or another use corrupt govertments or child labour purely for their profit.

Although I normally buy my coke in Tesco , I am not ashamed to say I drink Coca Cola as well when I go out and that I wear Adidas runners from which I suspect they have been fabricated by an under-aged kid somewhere in Pakistan.
Not that I agree with the production methods but I have no pretention of being able to make a difference here by not buying them.

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:30

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

And complacency is the only thing that is keeping the world that way. I’m not complacent, I will challenge and boycott companies who I don’t think are behaving ethically, as do many other people. The point is that the more people who take a stance against a company, the bigger the impact on their pockets and the more likely they are to change their ways.

Just look at the huge changes in McDonalds over recent years, they are bending over backwards to be seen as treating animals well and selling healthier food options. They’re by no means perfect yet but they understand consumer choice and consumer protest.

Any company will follow the money. If the majority of people say ‘I will only buy Fair Trade coffee’ - the majority of coffee companies will get off their arses and start making it.

An aside: I took my (6 year old) daughter shoe shopping the other week and she saw a massive display of Nike shoes, she said “Those shoes have a tick on Mummy. They are not kind to their workers, are they? I won’t have shoes like that.” Unto each generation a kick-ass activist is born…

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:40

#27

hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

My above post was to Macker.

Cuch, the thing with the Columbian trade unionist murders is that Coca Cola should be doing something to help support and protect their workforce. Their attitude is mostly one of ‘serves you right for joining a trade union’. When people are actually being murdered AT work on COCA COLA PREMISES, I think they have a duty of care to do something about it.

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:44

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mrs h wrote:

@ Macker - you’re right, and that’s why it’s so important that ordinary people make a stand and choose ethical companies wherever they can. I don’t buy KFC or Gap or Nike, and I don’t buy super-cheap clothes if they are produced in Pakistan or Bangladesh. I’m not pretending I know an awful lot about working practices in other countries, but as and when I do find these bad things out then I simply don’t buy from those companies again. As Hooch says, it’s not like it’s difficult.

@ Cuch - They’re related to Coca Cola as a company in that the company are perfectly well aware of what is going on and more than capable of stopping it, but rather than doing that they just deny everything! It’s not just the columbian assasinations that are a problem either, in some places they are using virtually all of the very limited drinking water to produce coke.

It’s like Nestle back in the 70s, selling sub standard formula milk to African mothers and telling them it was better than breast milk, so that when the women no longer produced their own milk they were forced to continue using Nestle which they had to mix with dirty water. Thousands of babies died . Go Nestle!

You personally wouldn’t make a huge difference by not buying these products, but you wouldn’t be on your own - you’d be joining a campaign. It’s up to you whether you do anything with that knowledge, but I personally would feel like a piece of shit if I bought Coca Cola.

*gets off soap box*

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:56

#29

mrs h wrote:

Both at the same time there - Hiya Hooch!

*proud to have raised a kick ass activist*

:) xx

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 11:58

#30

opal_mantra (Holly) wrote:

okay.. sorry to jump into a debate of sorts..
i’m not a fan of big corporations.. but i’m the first to admit that i won’t stop buying a product..
where did we get with the coke and pepsi debate..
is it okay to buy and drink pepsi?
really it’s just coke with a different name.. tesco’s own brand coke isnt fair trade.. is it morally ok to buy that?

if people are really that set against coke.. i hope everyones not celebrating christmas with decorations and cards and whatever with santa on them..
as we all know.. the santa that kids know and love today is infact a character created by the coca cola company..

the majority of people won’t buy fairtrade because it is placed next to a cheaper own brand product..
are you going to pay £2.38 for a jar of coffee or are you going to pay 50p..
i agree that more products should be made fair trade.. but at the same time.. i’m always going to choose the cheaper alternative..
it’s too expensive these days to take the moral high ground when it comes to food and products..
I’ll buy my cheap food at asda and i’ll get my cheap clothes from primark.. and i won’t feel bad about it..

Posted on Wed, 12 December 2007 at 12:06

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