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Therapy? Lost Songs - Update

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Started by Alan

Hi folks,

I’ve been going through some old posts here, and compiled some info regarding “lost songs” by Therapy?. I hope by putting these in one post, it will help clear up things and provide some info. A lot of this stuff came from Alex’s now-defunct suicidepact.com site. Where applicable, I’ve added a decent amount of my own info;

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Bonkified (this became Alrite)
Taxi For Me (this became Body Bag Girl - ‘…though in a very different form’—Michael McKeegan)
Jimmy Tangas (this became Tango Romeo)
Swine (this became Sister)
Thunder IA (this became Big Cave In)
Holly Hunter’s Hands (this became Six Mile Water)
Titanic (this became Lonely, Cryin’, Only)
More Than Perfect (this became Safe)
Nobody Here But Us (Semi-Detached left over, ‘still floating around in our minds for future use’—Martin McCarrick) Appeared on High Anxiety.
Pride of No-one (Semi-Detached left over?)

Glen Miller (‘There is a demo of it somewhere from the Infernal Love sessions. It’s pretty shite if truth be told. It was just a poppy riff and chorus I was messing about with and the producer, Al Clay, liked it, so we recorded a version of it with the band. It doesn’t really sound like Therapy? and the chorus goes something like, ‘this is the loneliest place in the world’. It’s actually a bit m.o.r.! I haven’t got a version of it myself and if you ever see it, unless you collect absolutely everything, I would suggest giving it a wide berth. It truly is awful.’—Andy Cairns)

Kiss Me On A Ghost Train (played a few times on the Semi-Detached tour, ‘a demo recorded when we were looking for a new deal. It got us a deal, but never made an album’—Martin McCarrick) Became Last Blast.

New Song 2 / I Worship God / I Worship Cock (played live in 1996. became Black Eye, Purple Sky)

New Song in D (Rene mailed Andy for his thoughts on this in 2003, here’s what Andy had to say: “as regards the ‘this is my world..’ lyric this was indeed an early musical version of joey but the lyrics were completely different and there was some cello on it.it was played as long ago as 1996, in fact when we played it on tour in Seattle in 1996 at the Crocodile Cafe(owned by peter buck from r.e.m.’s wife) peter buck himself who was in the audience claimed that it was his favourite song in the set! something to do with the opening lyrics which originally went..”i want to fuck my mum, i want to fuck my dad”!) Became ‘Joey’.

Again and Again (played live in December ‘95, became Stay Happy).

Un-named acoustic track - a new original track planned for a b-side on the Diane single. Didn’t happen.

Valentines Day - recorded during Shameless sessions in 2001. Never officially released, though mistakenly appeared on a promo)
Shameless - recorded during Shameless sessions in 2001. Slated for release on Sub-Pop split 7” single with The Black Halo’s, but never happened.
Blood Sucking Freaks - cover of a song by The Black Halo’s recorded during Shameless sessions in 2001. Slated for release on Sub-Pop split 7” single with The Black Halo’s, but never happened.

Atomized (old name for So Called Life ?)
I Won’t Let You Die Alone (rehearsed for NANE, not recorded)
Old Europe (rehearsed for NANE, not recorded - “fallen by the wayside from original 19” - Michael)
Plebians (recorded for NANE, never used)
The Third Face (rehearsed for NANE, not recorded)
Walked Through Darkness (rehearsed for NANE, not recorded) Later recorded for OCFA.

Live stuff from 2003 (these were probably early versions of NANE songs, likely re-written and re-named):
2 Bags - played in Helsinki in 2003
Dead Shark - played in Weert in 2003 (noise tune)
Heavy Metal Morrissey - played in Leeds
Shamburger - on set list at Utrecht, was it played?
Tropical Breeze - played in Oslo in 2003 (member ‘standinline’ said: “sounded like Heavy Surf-punk-rock, very Melodic almost like “C.C Rider”)

Ark 21 demo ‘98 (which got them signed to the label) - Never Ending, Kiss me on the Ghost Train, Hate Kill Destroy, Other Peoples Misery.

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Posted on Fri, 29 February 2008 at 17:57

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kossu (Petri Koskiniemi) wrote:

Nice to read that, great work Alan! There were some songs there I´ve never heard of (NANE rehearsals).

Posted on Fri, 29 February 2008 at 18:08

#2

trigger wrote:

off topic but anyway - where can i find freeze the remains?

Posted on Fri, 29 February 2008 at 21:34

#3

Alan wrote:

“Freeze the Remains” appeared on a compilation cd called ‘Sound Check’ which was given away with Rock Sound magazine no. 85. I’ve seen this cd on Ebay every now and again.

Before that, it was an exclusive download track on itunes, I think.

Posted on Fri, 29 February 2008 at 22:47

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g (My Shade Will Comfort you) wrote:

I had that CD and friggin lost it, I remember buying the magazine clearly as fuck, cus it was only a few hours before I saw therapy? live that I bought it.

its a class song, hopefully its on my itunes, I’ll be gutted if it aint cus I think i lost the cd when I moved.

Posted on Fri, 29 February 2008 at 23:20

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g (My Shade Will Comfort you) wrote:

And Alan just wondering if you know how many of the listed songs have leaked?

all i’ve heared is Titanic and Valentines Day

and of course re recorded versions of all the songs re recorded.

Posted on Fri, 29 February 2008 at 23:22

#6

Alan wrote:

“2 Bags” from Helsinki has been bootlegged, as have “Again and Again” (from London, Dublin, Belfast), “Kiss me on the Ghost Train” (from Brussels), and “New Song 2” (from various dates).
Valentines Day from the promo is also in trading circles.

That’s all I know of.

Posted on Sat, 1 March 2008 at 15:30

#7

Alan wrote:

While going through the old “Funny Farm” fanclubmagazines, I noticed a track called “Stay Awhile”. It was recorded in November ‘94 at Chapel Studios as an Infernal Love demo. here’s what Michael said about it in his diary;

“Listen to a DAT of “Stay Awhile” then myself and Fyfe try to multi-track a version without guide guitar or vocals which is damn hard. In fact it’s impossible so we give up”.

Posted on Mon, 3 March 2008 at 14:04

#8

Alan wrote:

Found some more (from Michael’s diaries) if anyone cares;

Pringle Farm demos (Dec ‘05):
Dollmaker (became Freeze The Remains), Batbomb (became Crazy Cocaine Eyes), Clowns Galore, Bounce.

Clowns Galore was also recorded, but not finished, in March ‘06 at the Hive in Derby.

Posted on Wed, 5 March 2008 at 11:58

#9

Squall wrote:

Freeze The reamins is on teh B Side of Rain Hits Concrete.

Posted on Wed, 5 March 2008 at 21:24

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soul doubt (an) wrote:

Freeze The Remains wasn’t on the Rain Hits Concrete ep, it’s released on I-tunes UK only, but was also on a sampler of Rock Sound Magazine.

Posted on Wed, 5 March 2008 at 21:48

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trigger wrote:

i don’t know if t? have the rights to all these unreleased songs, but if they did it’d be great if they released a compilation themselves and sold it through the site. i’m sure there’s lots of people who’d be interested in buying this, and i guess it wouldn’t cost that much to put all this together. maybe it’s not feasible but still it’d be great to listen all this stuff.

Posted on Fri, 7 March 2008 at 23:22

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Gav wrote:

Like the recent NIN thing - but with working downloads and a hard copy available!! (hint-hint)

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 09:33

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fatboy wrote:

Plenty of stuff that we should be lucky should they be released - as usual.

Posted on Mon, 10 March 2008 at 18:17

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Superunknown wrote:

Alan wrote:

“2 Bags” from Helsinki has been bootlegged, as have “Again and Again” (from London, Dublin, Belfast), “Kiss me on the Ghost Train” (from Brussels), and “New Song 2” (from various dates).
Valentines Day from the promo is also in trading circles.

So, would it be okay to ask for those songs or would I get crucified for doing so? ;-)

Posted on Tue, 11 March 2008 at 00:28 in reply to an earlier post

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Alan wrote:

You will be murdered, yes.

Seriously though, I don’t think it’s any problem to request those. Mail me if you’re desperate for them.

Posted on Tue, 11 March 2008 at 08:17

#16

Eyesore wrote:

I wouldn’t mind “Valentines Day” and “Freeze The Remains.” Would someone mind e-mailing them to me? I know I’m not a prominent poster here, but I’m a big fan. This is actually the first time I’ve even heard of these two songs, which is surprising to me.

My e-mail address is support AT goodpigbadpig.com. Thanks!

Posted on Wed, 12 March 2008 at 08:31

#17

trigger wrote:

i thought i had read somewhere (in a interview?) that t? had recorded a totally fucked up song around the nurse era when they were about to be signed by a&m, to test if the record company would interfere with the writing process and tell them what to play. or am i making this up?

Posted on Fri, 28 March 2008 at 11:06

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Epitome (Dave) wrote:

Hey. I’m new to the forum, but I’m a big fan of Therapy? - just recently found out that there were a few songs I’ve missed though.
Can anyone email me any of these:
Freeze The Remains
Valentine’s Day
Mama, You Can Call The Ambulance Now
Big Time
Denim Demon

Blood Sucking Freaks and Shameless would be great too, but I don’t think they’ve ever been released.

If anyone had these songs and wouldn’t mind sending them to me, let me know. Thanks!

Posted on Sat, 25 April 2009 at 18:34

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White Psycho wrote:

Think Freeze the Remains should be available through itunes so please don’t ask people to email that as Hooch will be all cross and hide the muffins. The rest I’m not sure about although Valentine’s Day was never released anyway as Andy described it as something along the lines of shit…and it is.

Posted on Tue, 28 April 2009 at 19:18

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Epitome (Dave) wrote:

To be honest, I did look for Freeze The Remains on iTunes but it’s not there. I’m in Canada, but as far as I know it still takes me to the UK iTunes store. I guess they got rid of it.

So as far as I know, all the songs I asked for I can’t buy (other than 2nd hand singles for the couple of b-sides). Thanks anyway, I agree commercially available stuff shouldn’t be requested, so sorry if I accidentally broke a rule I agree with! :)

Posted on Tue, 28 April 2009 at 20:32

#21

Epitome (Dave) wrote:

I should point out, I’m from the UK and I registered with iTunes as being in the UK, so that’s why it takes me to the UK iTunes store (as far as I know) even though I’m currently in Canada.

Posted on Tue, 28 April 2009 at 20:34

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Citizen Erased (confused again) wrote:

White Psycho wrote:

Think Freeze the Remains should be available through itunes so please don’t ask people to email that as Hooch will be all cross and hide the muffins. The rest I’m not sure about although Valentine’s Day was never released anyway as Andy described it as something along the lines of shit…and it is.

Sarah, you wouldn’t hide your muffins, would you?

Posted on Fri, 1 May 2009 at 13:11 in reply to an earlier post

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richboy wrote:

White Psycho wrote:

Think Freeze the Remains should be available through itunes so please don’t ask people to email that as Hooch will be all cross and hide the muffins. The rest I’m not sure about although Valentine’s Day was never released anyway as Andy described it as something along the lines of shit…and it is.

not wanting to set the cat amongst the pigeons or anything, but sometimes i think these songs are better left untouched. if andy described a song as above yet songs like “hypermania”, “body bag girl” and “my voodoo doll” were considered good enough for albums then i dread to think what songs like “valentines day” sound like.

a bit off the T? topic, but in a similar vein, i remember listening to an interview with chino moreno on dave fanning’s show when around the fur was coming out and he said that they had basically binned an albums worth of material and started again. i couldn’t believe it and always wanted to hear the stuff as i was such a big ‘tones fan. i changed my mind after “moana” made it onto the “deftones” album.

Posted on Sat, 2 May 2009 at 09:25 in reply to an earlier post

#24

Epitome (Dave) wrote:

Always interesting to hear all this stuff though, I think - and if I don’t like it then it won’t be something I play very often.

Anyway, someone sorted me out with the songs I requested, so thanks a lot to them :)

Posted on Sat, 2 May 2009 at 15:07

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mfgeorge wrote:

richboy wrote:

not wanting to set the cat amongst the pigeons or anything, but sometimes i think these songs are better left untouched. if andy described a song as above yet songs like “hypermania”, “body bag girl” and “my voodoo doll” were considered good enough for albums then i dread to think what songs like “valentines day” sound like.

just because andy doesn’t like it doesn’t mean we won’t like it*
kind of like how i like body bag girl and you don’t

*although valentines day is complete garbage

Posted on Sun, 3 May 2009 at 20:35 in reply to an earlier post

#26

Alex wrote:

> just because andy doesn’t like it doesn’t mean we won’t like it*

Exactly… I like Infernal Love! ;-)

Posted on Sun, 3 May 2009 at 23:24

#27

glen wrote:

this is when people turn into indiana jones

i think once people know its “unreleased” or “rare” people want it thinking they have some sort of hidden treasure
they will do anything to get their hands on them

most of the time theres a pretty good reason it was only a b-side or appeared on some compilation in japan

but with therapy? theres so much strong material thats not on the albums its a crime not to have them

Posted on Mon, 4 May 2009 at 13:27

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nice guys wrote:

What about the song “Hunks Of Burnin’ Love”?

Anyone got that? At least, it is listed here:

http://www.mindbending.be/an/MYCOLLECTION/RELATED/zzz-compilations.htm

Posted on Mon, 11 May 2009 at 09:20

#29

soul doubt (an) wrote:

it’s a demo-version of Bowels Of Love

Posted on Mon, 11 May 2009 at 10:07

#30

nice guys wrote:

i see. thanks a lot, an.

Posted on Mon, 11 May 2009 at 10:14

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