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Started by Joel (Joel Wreford) in Other Bands & Artists

A rock hero of 16 years of mine, Ginger, just acted like a cunt throughout the Bristol gig tonight, said we weren’t enjoying ourselves enough, said he doesn’t want to perform live ever again, acted like a petulant child, then went all Axl Rose when some poor guy had the gall to enjoy himself and crowd surf during the last song. Ginger strop, tears, boo’s. Can’t believe it, thought he was the epitome of rock and roll. How wrong was I.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 00:29

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#1

Alan wrote:

I guess we truly are spoiled when it comes to Therapy? - I’ve never once seen, or heard of, a gig where they threw a strop due to perceived lack of interest.

I’m guessing most of Ginger’s fanbase are in their 30’s and 40’s? What does he expect on a Tuesday night, in all fairness? And then when someone actually follows his heed and tries to outwardly enjoy himself, Ginger throws a wobbly? Not good. I think that sort of behaviour exposes one’s unhappiness with life.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 07:12

#2

gb199 wrote:

Seems there are some different perspectives on this…

http://www.thewildhearts.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6034

I’m not judging in any way as i wasn’t there, but I did see Ginger in Southampton on Sunday and he was his usual fantastic self. Top books for the most part.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 07:50

#3

gb199 wrote:

*bloke not books!! Blooming spell checker :-D

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 07:52

#4

Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

Ginger is rapidly destroying his reputation on Twitter @gingernyc by tellng everyone to fuck off, calling them cunts, and trying to organise a fight with one of them. Axl Rose breakdown!

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 12:42

#5

Cactus wrote:

I just hope Dunc, the guitar tech who got bloodied and ended up in hospital is ok, he’s a lovely bloke. Seeing that happen to your friend would massively wind anyone up. Seems like there’s quite a balanced view of events on http://www.thewildhearts.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6034

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 13:23

#6

Alan wrote:

That twitter stuff makes for interesting reading. Cant believe he threatened to kill himself. Seems like he’s totally lost it.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 13:41

#7

kossu (Petri Koskiniemi) wrote:

Well I think Ginger´s acting now (I´m not on twitter so I dont exactly know what´s happening there…) is somekinda “theater”, dunno…Met him at HRH in Prestatyn and he was in a really good mood so all this what I´m reading now feels quit strange. He is really pleased with that pledge thingy and he praised Fyfe´s work there on those (was it 11 tracks) songs he hits the skins. So really srange if Ginger is takin a “rollercoaster ride” now…

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 13:53

#8

Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

I’m not sure, but I don’t think it was the initial surfer that hurt the tech guy. Because as he surfed it was only the band on stage. But then Ginger got pissy and headbutted the mic really hard. Either way it’s sad someone got hurt, but Ginger isn’t the consummate rock star I thought he was. There was a lot of disappointed people there, me included.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 13:58

#9

Cactus wrote:

His praise of the rest of the tour so far has been glowing - bands, performances and crowds. The Glasgow show was amazing. He has had a hell of a busy year of ups and downs though, as someone just noted on the Wildhearts forum, he must be pretty worn out whether he knows it or not and I suspect he just needs to let himself have a well-deserved break.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 14:01

#10

Alan wrote:

Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @lofty500 Mate, I’m easy to find.
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @lofty500 Fucking cyber hard men. You make me fucking laugh. I’ll use your arse as my girlfriend you fucking cunt.
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @lofty500 You are a cunt. You will always be a cunt. You will live a cunt’s life. I pray that one day we’ll meet and do this properly.
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @_bambilly I will pay for you to stay away. Just get in touch with Gav@roundrecords.co.uk and we’ll make it happen.
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @lofty500 Seriously, I want to give you your Pledge money back. You make me fucking sick. Just get in touch with Gav@roundrecords.co.uk
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Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @lofty500 Axl Rose?!? You piece of shit. I’ll happy pay you to fuck off and don’t come back. Prick.
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @ju_ref Just tell me how I can refund your money. And promise to fuck off when the funds go through.
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Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @joelwreford Shit all over the Wildhearts legacy by giving you over 90 mins of top music? You twat. Shut the fucking door on the way out.
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Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @_bambilly Much love lost? You make me fucking sick.
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Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
@ @lofty500 I will gladly refund your Pledge money, you waste of fucking oxygen.
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Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
Bristol, we played for 1 hour and 45 minutes. If any of you feel ripped off I will happily refund your precious funds, you fucking cunts.
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
Fuck this. Taking a year off. Need to rethink the urge to kill myself.
3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
Bristol moaners, just leave your email address and I’ll refund your money. Seriously. Every single fucking penny.
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Gingernyc Ginger Wildheart
Wow Bristol. I robbed you of a minutes music and now some of you want your money back? I just left the stage because my pedals were broke

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 14:02

#11

Alan wrote:

Joel, did you shut the door? :-)

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 14:03

#12

kossu (Petri Koskiniemi) wrote:

I´m still veeeeeeeeeeeeeery eager to hear the pledge stuff!:D

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 14:08

#13

Cactus wrote:

Oh yes. The triple album is going to be all kinds of great, as is his TFE album next year! He’s always been prone to mood swings, it’s a shame it’s left a bad taste in some people’s mouths. The first time I saw Therapy? the show ended with Andy threatening someone in the crowd, trying to lamp them with a microphone, and then storming off kicking over an amp on the way. No encore. The infamous Aberdeen Lemon Tree show on the Suicide Pact tour. I was left feeling pretty weird after, but realised everyone has bad times and anyone can snap now and then. Twitter unfortunately makes it much easier for people to watch when you reach that point. A bit of patience and understanding (on both sides) goes a long way. But I’m sure everyone will survive this!

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 14:22

#14

Alan wrote:

You’re right Cactus, maybe it’s for the best that Andy doesn’t embrace social media! At the same time though, I think it’s one thing to have a gripe with one person who’s done something in particular to piss you off, and a different thing to have an issue with the entire crowd who have showed up and paid to watch you on a Tuesday night.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 14:48

#15

Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

Apparently it was Gingers guitar that split the tech head, not the surfer.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 15:06

#16

Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

My personal fave: “I’ll use your arse as my girlfriend you fucking cunt.”

Alan, I am indeed considering shutting the door.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 15:09

#17

buffalo-boy wrote:

i met ginger and he was a twat! its true you shouldn’t meet your heroes as they’ll disappoint! It was the night after the legendarily bad Rock City gig in 2007. what a tit.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 15:16

#18

silverginger5 wrote:

Joel,
After reading plenty of views on what happened in Bristol it seems that Ginger wasnt in the best mood but played a full set minus a minute or so of music then stopped as a crowd surfer trashed his gear and his roadie ended up in A & E because he split open his head. I’ve been a massive fan of Ginger for years and have never known a rock star to be so in touch with his fans by answering questions on formspring daily, twitter, the pledge music campaign, he also was putting people on the guest list at the gigs on this tour who couldnt afford a ticket no questions asked. The guy is an inspiration and shows other supposed rock stars how to do it, in my book.
He’s mentioned a few times over the last month or so that he needs a break from touring and isnt enjoying himself that much, still he’s been putting on great shows this tour. Sounds like he was probably having an off night but still played an entire gig and just got pissed off when it went to shit at the end. Whether you lay the blame on Ginger, the crowd or something else, this should give you no reason to attack the guy on twitter by saying he’s shit all over the wildhearts legacy and then being surprised when he answers back. If you’d posted Gingers previous tweets you’d have seen his explanation that his pedal was broken for the reason he went off early. Its up to you whether you believe him or not.
At the end of the day the guys only human and it seems like he’s been having a hard time of touring lately but for the sheer amount of work he does for charity and his fans should be enough for people to relent from winding the guy up for a bad gig, i’m sure most bands have had shit nights. Give the man a break.
Also sending NME a tweet slagging Ginger off is no way to go about things, for all the years of touring and recording its a pretty shit thing to do to the bloke.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 17:14

#19

gb199 wrote:

Have to say Joel your attitude is pretty sh*t on this. To have an issue is one thing, but keep it between the two of you. Ginger is easy to contact at any time. But instead you’ve gone to every open forum you can find and slated the guy…

Having said that though Gingers response is equally disappointing.

One thing I would echo from SG5s post is the fact that for this tour he extended an open invitation to all fans who could not afford a ticket. Let him know & he would put them on the guest list free of charge. I cannot think of any other artist doing similar in the 15years I have been going to gigs. He also spends a huge amount of time almost daily answering fans questions on formspring. I don’t know many artists that put the same amount of effort in.

So he had a bad gig. It happens to every group (remember the Jagermeister gig T? Played??). Be a man about it and let it go. Instead think of the 16 years of great time he gave you, and accept people are human.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 18:13

#20

Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

My attitude? This is crazy, it was Gingers ridiculous attitude that caused all this! All I can say is that last night in particular, I was upset because he ruined my idea of him, so yeah I went on 2 forums to vent. Look at this review, it’s not just me.

” If we’re not exactly the best audience ever, we’re certainly better than Norwich or bloody Swansea. But wait! It seems that now we’re suddenly a bunch of cunts. The mood-swinging dreadlocked Geordie has noticed a small pocket of punters who are clapping with insufficient enthusiasm. An “I don’t know why some fucking people go to gigs” tirade ensues, during which he threatens to stop touring altogether and offers the offenders a tenner each to fuck off.”

Everyone is saying he’s only human etc, but I don’t care. I didn’t pay to watch a guy who’s feeling a bit down and keeps telling the crowd we’re shit. You’re all being too precious. Having said that Ginger has now apologised which I, and many others I’m sure, appreciate.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 20:52

#21

buffalo-boy wrote:

Dont worry Joel, everyone is entitled to an opinion and for ginger to take his mood out on a bunch of people that paid to see him is unacceptable really, considering he gets paid to live in New York and be a rock star thanks to US, his loyal fans! If you’re having a terrible time standing there getting paid to sing songs for 90 mins a night and thats your job FUCKING HELL! Go and work in a factory then!
On the other hand for some dick to wreck Gingers night by destroying his stuff (which he probably got free but I won’t mention that!) is not on either.
My overall view - guy who attacked Ginger and his roadie = twat.
Ginger for slating the whole crowd and verbally abusing them = twat.
It’s a draw!

Rock stars should be proud in these economically crap times that they get to stand on stage and whinge and get paid for it, not taking it out on their fans! Like I said before I met the guy and he was a twatmonkey and for that reason I haven’t wasted anymore of my hard earned cash on him! And just before anyone attacks me, I do this for a living aswell, Ive stood there and been abused and had to put up with drunken idiots trying to grab my guitar but I grinned and beared it and got through it because I am a pro! : )

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 21:42

#22

Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

I second that exactly.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 21:48

#23

Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

Although I shouldn’t have called this thread what I did. I was drunk and it was well over the top.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 21:50

#24

silverginger5 wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

Dont worry Joel, everyone is entitled to an opinion and for ginger to take his mood out on a bunch of people that paid to see him is unacceptable really, considering he gets paid to live in New York and be a rock star thanks to US, his loyal fans!

You cant be that loyal, as he doesnt live in New York at all. I’m not having a go at anyone particularly I just think that Ginger is probably the most open and approachable rock stars out there who appreciates his fans more than anyone. He was obviously having a shit day, a bad gig or whatever, just let it go. For people to ask for their money back for the gig and for pledging on an album is just ridiculous as the amount he does for his fans is above and beyond what fans expect of their idols. I’m not saying he is unaccountable for his actions its just that in the grand scheme of things, the amount of good he does far outweighs a shit gig.
I’ve met him before and you couldnt meet a nicer bloke

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 22:14 in reply to an earlier post

#25

gb199 wrote:

Yes your attitude Joel. Whilst I will not condone any of what Ginger said at this gig, I’m pretty certain he wont have been ranting & raving when he said it like you have been at him today. You say he has now apologized, I wonder if you have apologized to him? Because even if he started it, you & others escalated it with your abuse of him today.

Still, given you say that you don’t care whether one of your so called rock idols is having a hard time of it, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised. Its just makes me a bit sad.

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 22:42

#26

col wrote:

He doesn’t have dreads either :o)

Posted on Wed, 14 December 2011 at 23:32

#27

Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

When you say you’re pretty certain wasn’t ranting a raving the day after the gig, were you referring to him tweeting telling one guy he was a cunt, will always be a cunt, and will live the life of a cunt, or when he said “I’ll use your arse as my girlfriend you fucking cunt.”? I’m curious which part you missed?

And he does have some small dreads as far as I could see yesterday.

Posted on Thu, 15 December 2011 at 00:35

#28

gb199 wrote:

Last post on this because im getting bored of it now. I said what ginger said at the gig, not after it. What ginger has posted on Twitter was out of line & im very disappointed personally that he reacted this way. Its a hark back to the bad old days of Ginger that we haven’t seen in years.

But im not talking to Ginger, Im talking to you. A guy who tweet the editor ofNME to bad mouth Ginger, a guy who posts messages about the Gingers sitting on his legacy because he wasn’t up for a single gig in your eyes. Despite many people at the same gig having a contrary opinion to you. A guy who seems to think he’s owed by someone he doesn’t even know…

But you clearly don’t see me opinion so I’ll leave it at that. You’ve succeeded in making Ginger look like a twat, which I guess was your intention. The problem is you’ve also made yourself look like a dick in the process

Posted on Thu, 15 December 2011 at 07:22

#29

Alan wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlwbgZoODV0

Posted on Thu, 15 December 2011 at 08:02

#30

silverginger5 wrote:

Thanks for the video, puts the gig into a clearer picture. I can sympathise with Ginger, he even explained on stage that the equipment has been unplugged and they cant play anymore, the roadie had been twatted round the face due to the crowd surfer. To say he had an Axl Rose moment is ridiculous, for some reason you have a massive bee in your bonnet about wanting to bring Ginger down by tweeting him, slagging him off not only on this board but on the Wildhearts board, which unsurprisingly they all echoed what a coupled of us are thinking on here. That your attitude stinks.
I agree with gb199 your intention was to make Ginger look like a total prick, in my eyes you’ve only suceeded in making yourself look like one. Ginger has apologised and offered out of his own pocket money for anyone wanting a refund for the 1 minute of music lost, where as you continue to slag him off

Posted on Thu, 15 December 2011 at 08:26

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