Wall of Mouths

And then they say that religion brings peace and love, and you have to love the people next to you…
But with that same bible they bless the people who go fighting against the other religion, who happens to love the same god.
Religion has made more wars then anything else in this world.

Personal: I really hate what is happening in Northern Ireland at the moment (and also in the past), fighting a war over childerns head.

At last,
I have often wondered how much we really care about what is going on around us here, on this very board.
With so much hate on this planet, all (I’m sorry if this offends anyone) based on religion.

We seem to be a slave to societies vision, that the only way we can be better than anyone else is to have the next Playstation, or X-Fuckin’-Box, when there are children, not only being injured or killed for reasons they don’t know, but fighting wars, being brainwashed into fighting wars for their stupid political leaders…

It makes me sick, so sick I’ve thought about ending it here and now.

I’ve sometimes had to walk away from a party because I can’t enjoy myself without thinking about a story I read in Time, about a 7 year old kid from Sierra Leone, he’d been kidnapped from his parents at the age of 5, drugged and brainwashed for 2 years, and sent back to his family at the age of 7, with a fuckin’ machine gun and killed his own parents. Before dying, his uncle asked ‘Why?, why have you killed me’ and the kid could only say ’ I don’t know why, uncle’…

Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but on the last page of Infernal Love, the guys wrote ‘this album was created at a time when there was a real chance of peace in Northern Ireland’
There will never be peace in Ireland, nor will there ever be peace on this planet. It’s a pessimistic view I know, but it’s the reality.

We have created this world, we created religion (not some god), we created hate, and we are going to suffer as a consequence.

For anyone who cares;
http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
http://www.thekidsaidssite.com/
http://www.therainforestsite.com/
http://www.thehungersite.com/
http://www.aclu.org/executionwatch.html
http://www.amnesty.org/
http://www.hatemonitor.org/

And of course http://www.wm3.org

(Rene, come on, it’s about time we had some html on this board)

From the best british group forum, I think this is fitting;
‘imagine all the people, living life in peace’
I think we all know who I’m talking about.

But hey, if this is too much, why not do what we do every day, what I’m often guilty of doing…switch the channel, turn on the playstation, turn the blind eye, pretend it’s not real, pretend it doesn’t matter…

I appologise ladies and gentlemen for my rant, it’s the longest one I’ve done so far, but you’ve hit a subject close to my heart. I now have a headache, and am going to sleap, in my comfortable bed, made in china probably, by child labourers, goodnight and sleep tight.

This is what you can read on the ‘news’ page of http://www.wm3.org

BLACK HALOS!
Look for the BLACK HALOS video ‘Some Things Never Fall’ on MuchMusic. It’s in rotation now and ends with a show of support for the WM3. They have photos of Damien, Jessie and Jason and the wm3.org URL at the bottom. the BLACK HALOS are another GREAT band that has decided to step up and speak out (loudly) about this injustice. Check out the BLACK HALOS if they come anywhere near your town, and visit their site for tour and CD info.

And I think that they need much more support then this!!!

That’s all I’ve ever known to be on the news - fucking Northern Ireland. It never stops. When the Peace Agreemant was signed, the whole country was celebrating but it was a fucking joke - it’ll never stop. I know there are some cool people from the North (Therapy? for example, and some of the people on this board) but a lot of the Northern Irish are absolute wankers, and personally I’m sick of hearing about them. All the talk and still no peace. There will never be peace there, it’s unfortunate.

I don’t think the problem is the religon itself -it’s the hatred that lasts through the generations and the inability to forgive. You can see it everywhere.

I don’t think it’s about the religion, I think that’s just what they say to fight a political war.
How can you fight and kill for a religion, that is suposedo be an peaceful and tolerant religion? The only reason why they are fighting is hate and revenge, and as long as people get killed there, there will allways be someone who wants to avenge this death.
If someone feels offended by this, because I don’t come from Northern or the Republic of Ireland and don’t know what the war is about, please write it down here, I would like to know why there is still war if not for revenge.

I think it’s important to talk about this topic here, because it would be totaly meaningless if this board was only filled with mesages like ‘the new T? album is so great’ etc.

Did you know that a few centuries ago the pope changed a lot of the old testament and took out things he didnt agree with. the religion is far to complicated. and by looking at the trouble its causing it NI,it seems pointless to me.

The world is insane, you are right, who would do something like that?

New York,
2 planes!!! 18 minutes after eachother!!!
At this moment they don’t know anything about victims (I don;t know the right word but I mean slachtoffers, can any of you translate)

since i’m in toronto maybe i have more information to give… this is what i know…

2 planes hit the world trade centre towers… both towers have now fallen to the ground…

a 3rd place hit the pentagon… no word yet on how bad…

a bomb went off on capital hill in wasington… no word yet on how bad…

a car bomb when off in front of the state building in washington… no word on how bad…

a 4th plane has gone down outside pittsburg… no word on how bad

a 5th plane has gone down close to camp david, which is the presidents retreat… no word on how bad…

of the five planes, one had about 100 people, another had about 60… the other 3 i don’t know…

the world trade centre has about 50,000 people that work there… no word yet on how many people have died, but they are saying well into the 1000’s…

that’s about all i know right now… well that and that the world is indeed a sick place at times…

oh, and another thing… today is international peace day around the world…

i’m not so sure it will be an all out war like people will think… it wasn’t a country, and so the US will have a much harder time trying to wage a war on a group of terrorists… it will depend on who did it and where they are located and the relations the US has with that country and their allies…

The prime minister has declared ‘we as a democracy will stand beside america to fight terorism’ democracy? i dont remember him asking the country if we want a war. I sincerely hope george bush keeps a cool head.

The war in Northern Ireland has very little to do with religion, sometimes it’s just used as an excuse or to incite violence, but in reality it is because the two communities are so totally juxtaposed. Someone earlier said protestants and catholics worship the same god - why don’t they just get along?

Its because Ps & Cs go to different schools, have different jobs, live in different places, go to different bars, have different holidays etc etc, they know very little about each other and so are fearful and resent each other. Theres a famous myth that Catholic parents used to tell their kids you could tell who a Protestant is because their eyes will be too close together and vice versa!

However, while the Holy Cross scandal is totally abhorrent and we still have the odd murder (just at the weekend a jounalist was shot dead in the back whilst walking with his wife) considering over 1000 people a year were shot or blown up in the 70s I think NI has made massive strides. Sinn Fein in the same government with the Ulster Unionists 10 years ago would be unthinkable.

I also think the ‘war’ proper is over, after the events of sep. 11th it would be difficult for the IRA to go back to terrorism with much public support, and also after 3 of its members were arrested in Columbia.

Finally, I know all the stuff about the assembly must bore the shit out of people living in the mainland UK, but these next few days ahead are absoloutely vital, because if the assembly tumbles down, there will be many people who will try and take hold of the situation to suck NI back down to the level it was when I was a kid (step forward Mr Paisley), and if it is felt in the Republican community that mainland Britons are ignoring the problem of Ireland, they launch a bombing campaign on the mainland, so lets pray the politicians (as useless as they are) can work something out.