#91
Brendon wrote:
Oh, and lest you think that we’re cheap or something:
(AP) - President Bush, bracing for war against Afghanistan’s Taliban regime, offered $320 million in humanitarian aid Thursday for the Afghan people and neighboring states ”in a time of crisis and in a time of need.” Bush said America stands ready to help the ”poor souls” suffering under the hard-line regime.
How much aid did your country give?
Posted on Thu, 4 October 2001 at 18:13
#92
trigger wrote:
If our countries were as rich as yours you can be sure that we ‘d give much more money that your government did. But i tell you again, the amounts of money you mentioned are nothing compared to the billions of dollars USA gets when they sell guns to developing countries. This is very humanitarian, right?
Posted on Thu, 4 October 2001 at 18:56
#93
opalmantra wrote:
So the USA are going to send Aid to a country they are probably gonna blow the hell out of the sky. Hmmm…I’m not going to think to long about that…
Posted on Thu, 4 October 2001 at 19:50
#94
Brendon wrote:
We send aid to the civillians, because they need it. If we lauch something like airstrikes, we aim at military bases etc…not at buildings where 50,000 civillians work. And we’re hardly obligated to give them anything. Do you think the Germans handed out money when they invaded Poland?
As for selling guns to developing countries—do we force anyone to buy anything from us? How about the Russian mafia that’s selling nuclear warheads or chemical weapons to the Taliban? I’d like to hear a little more about the billions of dollars you claim we get every year from selling guns to developing countries. Who are the countries? If they’re developing, how can they afford to buy billions of dollars worth of weapons? Since when is selling weapons illegal? WalMart sells guns…does WalMart deserve to be bombed? Since WalMart sells guns, are they obligated to give giant sums of money to countries that either stab us in the back or have no intention of paying us back?
I find you ‘We’d give more money if we were you’ attitude to be a bit pompous. Just because America is rich, we have the obligation to bail out the rest of the world? If the rest of the world hates when we interfere with their affairs so much, why do they always have their palms out and ask for money? It seems like a bit of a double standard to me.
Posted on Thu, 4 October 2001 at 20:40
#95
Nausea wrote:
one shit at the time. has my country paid up to the UN? how much aid does my country give to afghanistan? the answer is, i don’t know. after all, it’s not my country who’s going to blow afghanistan up.
so now bush tries to be the good guy handing out money, trying to get the impression that he really cares about afghanistan lives and their country. he wants to save the ‘poor souls suffering under the regime’?. how sweet of him. it makes me want to vomit all over my computer. that man (and the country he’s running) has obviously very little knowledge in the arab, muslim world. there’s no ‘regime’ telling people think the arab world. they only believe in islam, and that’s what they truly believe in. they belive in hating the US because all the shit that has been done to them with the direct help from your country. does the US think that the people in the streets in afghanistan really cares about that US aid money? the whole arab world hates you more than anything on this planet. a majority of the people living there would rather die than touching your filthy money. they don’t want your ‘help’. if bush really thinks he’s going to be seen as a saviour among the afghanistans, he’s so wrong it’s unbelievable..
the thing i was trying to get through with my last post was that the US only interferes when they have something to gain. ‘why giving a lot of money to the UN when we don’t get any oil or money back?’
Posted on Thu, 4 October 2001 at 23:11
#96
Nausea wrote:
ooops some words got mixed up.. rene, please make it possible to edit your post ;)
Posted on Thu, 4 October 2001 at 23:17
#97
Brendon wrote:
Where are you from that you can so confidently state what the people of the middle east want? The US was the #1 source of aid to Afghanistan before Sept. 11th, and will probably continue to be even after we attack.
Beleive me, if they don’t want my money, I’m not going to cry. I don’t work a crappy job so that my taxes can go help an ungrateful nation treat its citizens like savages. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I would LOVE for the US to cut off 100% of its foreign aid to every country in the world. I would LOVE for us to end immigration and not let these ingrates into our country. I would LOVE for us to withdraw military troops from around the world, and let the other nations just fight each other and wipe each other out. Believe me, if they hate us so much for helping, then I’m all for cutting out the help.
Posted on Thu, 4 October 2001 at 23:33
#98
Nausea wrote:
just read the papers, watch the tv - they’re burning US flags, bush dolls and all sorts of things that’s connected to the US. their hate is so deep, your money probably wouldn’t change one thing. ‘here’s 320 million dollars, now change what you believe in’. that’s not going to happen. it’s going to continue until someone decides to solve the main problem behind all this, the palestina conflict. if the US does what you want - do nothing to solve global problems and help the poor and the troubled people in the world, especially in the muslim world - believe me, more planes are going to crash.
Posted on Fri, 5 October 2001 at 08:13
#99
mfgeorge wrote:
Nausea, there is your problem right there: ‘watch the t.v. read the papers, they’re burning flags and bush dolls’
of course the media is going to show the people that are against the USA. it hardly makes for a good story to show the thousands upon thousands of afghans that are running for the boarders and eating the food that the USA is supplying… it’s a much more interesting story to see the people that are actually deify the USA (and most of the world at this point).
as with almost everything in society it’s always the vocal minority that seems like a majority… there are more afghans running away and using the USA’s aid then burning flags and Bush dolls… and i don’t think Bush is giving aid to change peoples minds about him… he may be a stupid man, but he’s not stupid enough to think that afghans are going to love him if he gives them food… but he does give them aid anyway because he’s fighting a war on bin laden and maybe the Taliban itself, but not on the people of Afghanistan…
i’m really not trying to picks sides here between the ‘US is great’ and the ‘US is worse’ groups that are forming here… i’m trying to show that it’s not as ‘black & white’ as everyone is making it out to be…
YES the US acts for selfish reasons (like every other country)… YES the US sells guns and helps dictatorships… YES many people hate the US for interfering in their affairs… YES the US is promising to start paying back the money they owe the UN in order to get support…
BUT
YES the US gives tons & tons of money for foreign aid… and YES the US sends peace keepers all around the world to protect the innocent… and YES the world would be mighty fucked if the US ever decided to do what Brendon suggests; pulling all their troops and cutting off all the counties of aid and money…
just as Nausea and Messiah have made valid points and ‘facts’ arguing one said, so does Brendon agruing the other… why one side has to be totally right and the other be totally wrong is beyond me…
Posted on Fri, 5 October 2001 at 11:57
#100
opalmantra wrote:
Aahh, precisely the point! Couldn’t have said it better.
Oh, and I must congratualate Messiah for (probably) posting the largest message on this board! Am I right?
Posted on Fri, 5 October 2001 at 12:46
#101
Nausea wrote:
good point. you’re right that it’s not just ‘all black and all white’. that’s exactly why you have to tell it from both sides. what i’m writing is what i believe in, and what other’s write is what they believe in. but it’s important to try to stick to the facts. i’m not too sure the media is on the ‘afghan side’, at least not in the US. why should they?
Posted on Sat, 6 October 2001 at 10:00
#102
silenced wrote:
did anyone else hear that r kelly dedicated a song to the people who died in new york at the MOBO awards (music of black origin). this is the gods honest truth…the song he dedicated was ‘i believe i can fly’…no shit, i swear.
hahahahahahahahaha
it makes me laugh.
by the way i have no soul.
Posted on Sun, 7 October 2001 at 17:55
#103
hellbelly wrote:
Oh dear god/allah/buddah/krishna please tell me that’s a joke.
I want, more than anything, to get the fuck off this mistsake of a planet.
Posted on Sun, 7 October 2001 at 23:01
#104
donVutz wrote:
I heared the USA support the Nothern Alliance (if they are called so) by giving them weapons.
They really didn’t learn from the past.
Posted on Mon, 8 October 2001 at 13:30
#105
nice guys wrote:
Yeah, right, they do not learn from their mistakes and that’s exactly their problem.
Now bin Laden has reached exactly what he had wanted. He doesn’t give a fuck about the civil population of Afghanistan. The USA stepped right into his trap by attacking the country. Bin Laden is now able to announce the Jihadd (holy war) and I’m sure that many Islamic people who hadn’t known who they’ll support now turned to the Taliban side because there will be many (Islamic) civilists beyond the victims.
By the way, thanks to Powell who prevented an earlier attack as Bush had wanted.
Bush sucks! How can he say that the Americans are a peaceful people. He’s the best example thet they aren’t…
I don’t want to critize all Americans but their overstated pride and patriotism really sucks!
I just heard an interview with an American soldier who bombed Kabul from the air and comparing his flight with running into a football stadium for the Superbowl. That’s so mad and stupid!
By the way, the only chance the USA and GB have is attacking from the air. If they try to attack on the ground the Americans will experience their second Vietnam…
What do you think about Bin Laden’s prophecy that Ameica will not be able to ‘live in safety’ for a long while?
St.
PS: Brendon, this is not to insult you or your opinion! It’s just the point of view of a young German guy whose country has not been attacked but might be on the ‘Bin Laden list’ now as Germany backs the USA in every single point which I personally agree with as the US has done lots of good things for my home country.
Posted on Mon, 8 October 2001 at 16:28
#106
Michael wrote:
I think the things that are happening now are pretty scary. I mean, Bin Laden, saying that the U.S. citizens will not live in safety. Despite the fact that these words come from one man, this man is extremely dangerous and we all know he’s able to do weird stuff (again).
I sincerely hope the actions will only affect the terrorist side. Yesterday I saw a couple of U.S. soldiers on the T.V., and they were acting really stupid (like the previous post on this topic said), they were saying things like: ‘We’re going to bomb the hell out of them’, and some more stupid things. I have a bad feeling about all this…
Posted on Tue, 9 October 2001 at 10:22
#107
Ronald wrote:
Hell…I think that this revenge of America is just as productive as Gilette starting a company in Afghanistan!…
Posted on Tue, 9 October 2001 at 10:31
