Wall of Mouths

Well, of course, death isn’t something that he deserved but he was right-wing which makes him a complete asshole in my opinion. I do not understand why Feyenoord and especially the German team of Dortmund had to wear a mourning-crape during the UEFA-cup-final. Politics should be kept out of sports as far as possible and it’s really hilarious if a black player like van Hooijdonk has to wear a mourning-crape for a politician whose politics was directed against Dutch immigrants. Of course, I know that van Hooijdonk is Dutch but his Surinam origin is something that Fourtyne disliked.

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Title: Different opinion

Maybe you call it mass-hysterie, I call it human.
He was an honest and intelligent man with a strong opinion about things, which he wasn’t afraid to speak out loud in normal Dutch words. He was NOT extreme right (like the whole international tv and newspapers call him). He had some right idea’s and if you listened to him and not only see the “short-cuts” on the news, some ideas where good.
A lot of young people where interested in politics again, ‘cause this time it wasn’t a dull/old politicus that wouldn’t listen to the “voice” of the public. I believe that because he died a lot of people feel like their voice is not heard anymore and they feel they lost somebody close. You also see how many different people are emotional about his dead, from young till old, rich and poor and also black!!! and white. His number 2 on the list is a black male!!!!
I’m probably getting a lot of negative reactions on this, but I probably would have voted for him.
Iris

He wasn’t a fascist or rascist. That’s what he said so himself. But the things he said (about the Islam and other Politicians) prove somewhat otherwise. If most people agree with that, so be it. I think its scary. Read his programme.

it seems like the right wing get’s stronger all over europe, or am i mistaken? austria, france, netherlands. everyone of these countrys has/had a famous rightwinged politican in the last years. i hope i’m mistaken here, cause if i had the choice, i’d rather stick with those lame ases from the middle than go with one off the extreme partys.

I’m gonna have to agree with donVutz. The extreme right wing is unfortunately getting stronger in most european country, not only the ones donVutz mentions, but also in Denmark and Sweden.

I don’t know excactly what Pim was about, cause I’ve only heard what the media said about him, not what he said himself. But if it’s true that he said that islam was an inferior religion and muslims thus inferior people, that reminds me of a certain german/austrian dictator who shot himself 57 years ago. Only difference is that he was against jews…

And by the way…I wish the people would start voting for politicians who are FOR something and not just AGAINST somebody.

People forget so easily…it only took 50-60 years to erase all the
misery and evil the right has spread to the world. Get REAL, a right wing government representing hatred and intolerance cannot solve your problems.

Yeah, its freaky. Everyone is using the word “Demoniseren” a bit too much. What a load of crap! He started to provoke things. He threw the bone in the dog-house (nice sayin’). And when the discussions turned against him, he just got away.
That he’s been murdered is terrible, but there is no one to blame (so far) but the killer himself. The The Hague Maffia? Come on!
Some of his lawyers are trying to sue some politicians that have tried to Demonize(!) him. Pffff…that makes things pretty stable.
(It’s like sueing Judas Priest for listening to their music after someone’s been shot) Our government has been a mixture of left and right (paars) and it had its ups and downs. As Ronald said, we got nothing to complain. We got no war, hunger and aren’t even poor. Times have changed and people have become more egocentric, but that’s got nothing to do with politics. Blaming Immigrants is an easy way out, and only causes anger. Calling the Islam a ‘backward’ culture is just as stupid. Like Cathlolics are so very modern in their thinking!
I call it narrow-mindedness. All people are equal, and should be treated that way. I rest my case.

Title: Immigration is a problem now..

because integration failed. I understand people are afraid of “subcultures”. And far right wing doesn`t automaticly mean “faschist” or even nazi. As I understand, that guy who was shot was more of a “right wing populist” and not “extremist” like Le Pen is.

I don`t have sympathy for an “uncontrolled” immigration. How can it be that people who lived in a country for 30 years don`t speak the native language? That`s what I call “subculture”. If it were only a few it wouldn`t be a problem. That doesn`t mean it`s only the fault of that people, after all, they just stick to what they know, which is a natural thing imho. It`s a good idea to offer language courses to everyone.

I agree with Christian, I think people should at least adapt to the culture/country they’re living in by learning the language! And people, don’t belive everything that you read in the newspaper. Also here in Australia, Fortuyn is described is if he would be the next Hitler, I’d say he was on the right (as opposed to left…) side, not the extreme right side.
@rotten.com: that must have been the most stupid thing anybody has every written on this board, calling the killer of Fortuyn a hero! He may have said some stupid things, but everybody has the right on his/her own opinion! I think it is a very serious issue that he got killed because someone disagreed with something he SAID, and calling this man a hero makes you a sad person, I’m sorry to say.

Some quotes for thought:
-Getting rid of the law against discrimination.
-No Islamit is coming into this country. (okay in other words)
-People who have cancer should not be in the WAO (a social sucirty for people who cannot work because of permament illness)
-Mrs. Borst is responcible for thousands of death in the healthcare. She’s even worse than Bin Laden (he calls him Ben Laden)
-Build a new nuclear powerplant
oh and far more.
Its just weird he turned from the antichrist into a messiah in one day.

I`d rather be short-sighted than voting for such an idiot!

…except for himself.

First of all, all the quotes above make still no right to kill a persons who says them. And certainly not make the killer a hero!!!

I wish my english was better to be a good part in this topic.

Some response to Opal Mantra’s posted quotes of Pim Fortuyn:

* No Islamit is coming into this country. (okay in other words)*

It’s no islamit in our country if they don’t integrate and that also means no discrimination of woman like they do on high scale. He called them a backward culture because woman have no rights. Ever seen the documantries on National Georgrafics and you know what I mean? Exapmle: they asked the men what they would do if there wife was going out with another man, they asked it to about 30 people and about 25 raised there hand and said they would KILL the woman. The other way around, they could do whatever thay want with other females. Even here in Holland we got “religion crimes”, because a sister or a daughter disgraces the family so she must be killed, we even have a police protection system for some, where those females can change their names and build another identity in an other part of Holland. If you want to come to Holland integrate and learn to speak the langauge…
The other thing he said about other cultures was that the man (like from the islam and other religions) prefer a woman from their “home-land” ‘cause they listen more to them and are less educated. The females from their culture that a raised here have much more freedom and now also know a different way of life.

Pim said, people who are more then 5 years in our country and still don’t speak the langauge can go “home” again. He did not say nobody can enter our country anymore, he did say, we must lower the amount of poeple that come here, ‘cause there will always be people that really need it. But there will also be another group that only come here to profit.

* People who have cancer should not be in the WAO (a social sucirty for people who cannot work because of permament illness) *

True he said this, but the thing he said after this words. People who have an illness that does not come out of a their work (or work accident) should have another income. Not a lower income, but different. What is wrong with that??? Out of a whole conversation you can pick only a few words, that makes a comment out of it’s context.

* Mrs. Borst is responcible for thousands of death in the healthcare. She’s even worse than Bin Laden (he calls him Ben Laden) *

That was wrong to say. Calling somebody Bin Laden is terrible.

* Build a new nuclear powerplant *

Did you know that the “waste” (afval, weet niet of dat het goede woord is) of a nuclear powerplant is about 10 m3 each whole YEAR and that’s including it’s protection against radiation. With that you can give 25% of Holland power. I’m also for “green” power, but that’s just not possible jet on high scale. And we are also against getting gas out of the Waddenzee, natural things like gas and coals (kolen) are also not forever. Building windmill parks is an option but that’s not enough to get power for a whole country. I do think we can do something better then nuclear powerplants in time, but we don’t have a good solution jet. And we all like to watch TV at night.

Iris

I’m not trying to excuses a pathatic murder in any way. I’m just trying to filter his ideas. No one deserves to be murdered (okay some exeptions).
Personally I think every religion sucks. But I do respect people’s beliefs. As for women’s rights, we got our own ‘heavy’ christian religion that surpresses women as well. I’m against both, but to ban every muslim is stupid. If one stays between the borders of the dutch-law of humanity. I think he stereotyped an inormous ‘diverce’ religion. He only wants immigrants from certain European countries, and that may very well not be political immigrants. (that’s what he said one time- the other time he says something different).
I think its shockin’ to state cancer as a not-bad-enough illness. That’s enough for me. That’s what WAO says: Not capable of Working. If he wanted another system for it…well we never had the chance. :-(
I think building another nuclear powerplant is stupid. The one we got should possibly be closed down in a few years too. Or just get it somewhere safe. (where can that be?). Not in such a populated area. One error and we’re doomed. I know toxic waste is used for science and medical reasons, but we can import them. (I think - Also dangerous, yes). The only solution is too place windmills. How ugly they may be. But we better start with placing some…not? Maybe we can place them near Greenland or something. ;-)

It depends on what scale you compare your satisfaction. I mean if you look world-wise, you better be ashamed! I mean we’re wealthy, got no hunger or war etc…but a lot of people seem to miss ‘warmness’ & ‘humanity’. At least that’s what I read in reactions. I don’t think you achieve that just with politics (espacially with right-wing parties), its just how people evolve. Mankind has become more egocentric. Possibly by money and media. I myself live in the (official(!)) most criminal city of the Netherlands, but i’m perfectly fine! Of course, there’s always room for improvement. ;-)