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Remake of Nurse?

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Started by jeremy (Guest) in General Therapy? Topics

who else thinks T? should rerecord a new version of every song off Nurse? I hate the album only because of the way it sounds. The songs aren’t that bad (except accelerator and deep sleep suck), just the way it’s recorded makes all the songs sound really terrible. I love the new recordings of teethgrinder and disgracelands, i think they should go back into the studio and redo Nurse.

Does anyone else agree?

I also read in an interview with T? in Seconds mag. that Andy said he hated Nurse and wish that they could go back into the studio and redo the whole thing over again. He said it sounded too much like the grunge bullshit that was coming out at the time and that it made him sick to hear it. (not a direct quote but the jist of that part of the interview from back when troublegum had just been released.)

Posted on Sun, 30 April 2000 at 09:54

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Neck_Freak (Guest) wrote:

Nurse is T?:s best album I would have to say.

Posted on Sun, 30 April 2000 at 11:29

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Innocent X (Guest) wrote:

Sorry Jeremy, I have to disagree here …
I don’t like the new versions of Teethgrinder and Disgracelands …
The original versions are much, much better !!! The sound is a little low on the album though …

Although I must say, for those two songs, I like the live versions on some good bootleg material the most …

Cheers,
X.

Posted on Sun, 30 April 2000 at 11:57

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Brendon (Guest) wrote:

Nurse is probably the best reviewed album. At least in America, it’s the most critically acclaimed one, and I agree. Now, I’ve read that Andy says he considers Infernal Love to be an embarrassment, which is why I’m surprised that it is so popular on this board. A quick poll on my website showed that Nurse was second only to Troublegum in terms of popularity.

Posted on Sun, 30 April 2000 at 17:39

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matt (Guest) wrote:

Personally i think the production and sound on nurse is better than anything the band have done that way. Sure there are better songs and stuff but nurse has the best production in my book & Harvey Birrel is a great producer. Long Live Nurse!!

P.s Nurse also has some of their best songs eg neakfreak, nausea, disgracelands and the sound also sums up therapy at that point in time as it’s dark, erriee and a bit sinister!

Posted on Sun, 30 April 2000 at 19:23

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Che Guevara (Guest) wrote:

Nurse is a really good album but I have to agree with Jeremy that the teethgrinder re-recording is better though the best re-recording was skyward (from babyteeth on the vinyl version of lonely cryin only). The newer version is one of my favourite T? songs

Posted on Sun, 30 April 2000 at 21:23

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messiah (Guest) wrote:

yo i think nurse is fine the way it is.
i think it’s one of their best.
infernal love is pretty okay but doesnt define therapy?
all the earlier stuff upto troublegum is pure therapy?
but they’ve somehow lost their way.
but i hope they find it again.
if anything needs reworking it is suicide pact.

Posted on Mon, 1 May 2000 at 02:19

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Ray (Guest) wrote:

I think they need to remix nurse, as the production is toss, I think it was done produced by a guy hired by Wiiija, so not really the best available, and I think A&M were heralding them as the next indie thing, so the album is mixed weakly. They need to bolster up the guitars and shove gain on everything. As for the songs, they fucking rock, especially ‘Disgracelands’.

Posted on Mon, 1 May 2000 at 12:26

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mattias (Guest) wrote:

not only do they need to beef up the guitars - the drum sound (not fyfe’s drumming though) is so fucking weak on that record.

in an interview in kerrrang from somewhere in ‘98, michael was asked to choose their [therapy?’s] worst song ever - and he chose all from nurse.

Posted on Mon, 1 May 2000 at 14:28

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Razorblade (Guest) wrote:

I don’t think re-recording Nurse would help but re-mastering would. There are some good tracks on there but the album loses it in the second half. Re-recording a weak song probably won’t make it any better.

Still I love Teethgrinder and Accelerator.

Rz.

Posted on Mon, 1 May 2000 at 14:48

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tony (Guest) wrote:

Mattias mate, it was actually just Hypermania he chose.
I think people should remember at the time of Nurse T? were’nt classed as a bonafied ‘metal’ act, so to speak (anyone remember the letters sent into Kerrang claiming T? shouldnt even be mentioned). I remember at the time they were given the tag ‘the indie band metal kids like and the metal band indie kids like’.
I think the guitars sound great on the album, it’s great the way they acheive an unusual sound for a ‘rock’ album, mainly due to the fact the guitars are totally never full on.

Posted on Tue, 2 May 2000 at 13:22

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mattias (Guest) wrote:

ah ok tony, you’re probably right, he might have just said hypermania. my memory must have slipped a bit. still he chose a track from nurse :-Þ

cheers.

Posted on Tue, 2 May 2000 at 13:55

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jeremy (Guest) wrote:

ok, good points on all.

I still think T? should go back in the studio and redo the whole thing. I don’t think remixing the original version would help anything. The production of the original is such shit. The bass drowns out the drums and some of the guitars on all but one track (gone). Andy’s vocals are almost all un-understandable and shows almost no emotion (in my mind), exceptions gone and disgracelands.
Every other song it’s just him barely yelling and barely singing.

The only other album that T? has done that come close to being as bad is Infernal Love. It’s still 10 times better than Nurse and this is why…(1)there’s raw heartfelt emotion in every song (2)the production sound is better even though the songs on Nurse are better than any on Infernal Love which makes it much more tolerable to hear
(3) personally can relate with some of the stuff he sings about on Infernal Love.
Downfalls…(1)Epilepsy worst song ever written (2) no song ever wnats to end. take 30 seconds for example 8 minutes of droning noise for a 3 and a half min. song roughly the same for Me VS. You.

Infernal Love can’t be saved from being a bad albumn but Nurse could be…if they’d go back into the studio and redo the goddamn thing over again.

Posted on Tue, 2 May 2000 at 21:54

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jeremy (Guest) wrote:

and messiah, i agree with what you said about Infernal Love not defining T? however they haven’t lost their way after troublegum.
Their sophmore or junior release (however you want to define; after Caucasion Psychosis) Nurse could have been a great albumn if it had been produced right, the 2 albumn since Infernal Love have been awesome. Semi-Detached is my favorite and SPYF, i love the sound that they went for. Infernal Love is the only true disappointment in my mind and i still like anyway, just like Nurse.

Posted on Tue, 2 May 2000 at 22:08

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messiah (Guest) wrote:

i think nurse is fine the way it is.
re mastering a cd is like giving someone a face lift.
it doesnt need it- it’s fine the way it is - i’ve listened to that way more than any other therapy? cd.
it will stand the test of time.
Infernal love was good but the imagery could have been better- i saw no need for them to compromise their image and dress like pimps- they could have done it as they were.
Sad as it is - i got semi detached stolen before i even heard it so i cant say how it is- and caucasin psychosis got stolen too - but i’m getting both of them again.
Suicide pact could have been better though.

Posted on Wed, 3 May 2000 at 04:12

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Razorblade (Guest) wrote:

I’m going to have to dissagree on Infernal Love. I think it’s one of their better albums. Lyricaly I find it stronger than most and it manages to get quite a lot of complex emotions across.

Epilepsy is a bad song and starts the album off on the wrong foot but Stories pulls it back in line. From that point on Moment of Clarity/Jude The Obscene/Mysery etc are all pretty good tracks.

OK the imagery sucks - False Moustaches and Frilly shirts, Boys what were you thinking…

Sorry, Nurse had some bad songs on it - like all the second half and was a retrograde step from Babyteeth and Pleasure Death.

I got into Therapy? having heard Teethgrinder but didn’t know the name of the song (odd I know given it’s lyrical content). However I bought Screemager thinking that was the only album they had out. Loved it, and discovering my mistake got Nurse and the older stuff. Had I got the albums in the reverse order I may not have continued.

Some bands do great first albums and then go down hill. I think T? have done the reverse.

Rz

Posted on Wed, 3 May 2000 at 15:15

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messiah (Guest) wrote:

i dont know why all the bad words about nurse.
it’s a killer!
it slags off at song number 8 and goes downhill from there.
up to gone it is unbelivable.
epilepsy was a bad way to start infernal love. but what really sucked
was their appearance- it was kinda like admitting we’re making a
pop album so fuck off- they could have done it without compromising.
suicide pact could have been better though.

Posted on Wed, 3 May 2000 at 17:50

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Teethgrinder (Guest) wrote:

Man, messiah, you really don’t like Suicide Pact do you? To each his own, that’s fine, but you said they were defined by everything up to Troublegum. With that I don’t agree, because a band is defined by everything they make. Suicide Pact is pretty raw (Andy’s voice!) which reminded me of the old days, so in that way I’m surprised you feel this way.

Anyway, I think Nurse has some pretty cool tracks on it (Teethgrinder (surprise!), Disgracelands) but the sound could have been better, especially with more gain and volume for the guitar sound.

I agree with Razorblade about Infernal Love. I think it’s a very good album overall, and it is very intense. Stories and Me vs. You are pretty far up in my favorite T? song list.

Cheers, Teethgrinder.

Posted on Wed, 3 May 2000 at 19:02

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deekoi (Guest) wrote:

I love everything they’ve ever done except the samples used on Innocent X and Epilepsy. Having said that, It took me a long time to get into Infernal love and to love it as an album (still skip epilepsy though) but it was completly worth it. I can honestly say that it’s the best album I own, if not my favourite or most listen to, just because it’s painful.

Posted on Wed, 3 May 2000 at 22:35

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messiah (Guest) wrote:

therapy? had an image about them and it all went away with infernal love. I thought they could have done it without compromising their image.
I like nurse best of all. i thought it was cool. I agree with a bands right to experiment and take their music to newer levels but i dont think they have to dress up like pimps to do that. Bad mother from infernal love is still one of my favorite therapy? songs.
suicide pact lacks the immediacy of their previous albums or maybe because i havent heard it much.

Posted on Wed, 3 May 2000 at 23:47

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jeremy (Guest) wrote:

i love all the experimenting T? does, the different sounds and styles always sound like T? it’s just that the experiments don’t always work very well, the sound on Nurse sucks although some of songs are the best they’ve done.

i disagree with messiah, i don’t think T? has changed their image in anyway, i think Infernal Love was Andy, Fyfe and Michael were just having fun. Actual with all depressing lyrically and sounding songs on Infernal Love it sounds like to me they were enjoying life while they were working on it. LOOSE and 30 SECONDS are perfect examples. The only stuff i’ve ever heard (before Semi-Detached) by T? that was uplifting in anyway. Maybe that’s why you don’t like the stuff after Troublegum, messiah? They seem to be enjoying their lives and the image you had of them was that they were miserable and dark.

Posted on Fri, 5 May 2000 at 10:22

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