#31
Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 16:12
#32
Citizen Erased wrote:
You’re getting very catty in your old age! :rolleyes:
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 16:39
#33
Alex wrote:
Well just sometimes you wonder what is the point of going to that effort, and working on and compiling all that information and have it totally ignored.
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 18:12
#34
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
You’re on the links page of the official T? website - I don’t see what else can be done for ya.
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 18:30
#35
Alex wrote:
Hooch, I never said you guys hadn’t done enough.
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 18:33
#36
Alex wrote:
Oh, and just to put the accurate perspective on this, cos I guess it’s not coming across — it’s also a case of, there have been several times where people have asked questions about T?. The answers they have wanted have been on sp.com. And after a few times of replying to the message with a “suicidepact.com > XXX > YYY” I think it’s not very nice for you and Rene with me pointing people away from your site. It must get annoying and I am wary of annoying you guys and that’s why I don’t use that sort of response every time, even though at times it is suitable. And so it’s just frustration borne from people not checking out the web page where the information is, and then me wondering whether, in each invidivual instance, I should post the info, or post a link to sp.com or whatever.
That’s all.
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 18:40
#37
White Psycho wrote:
I use suicidepact.com all the time, usually to look at the tab section and go “How the hell am I supposed to do that??” because I’m crap, but its still a really good site!
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 18:45
#38
Alan wrote:
Yeah, I always use it - mainly for the news section and tour dates, and the like…
:)
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 19:03
#39
Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:
Alex, I know how it feels to be wondering whether it’s worth the effort to make a fan site like you’re doing, because I’ve had some periods where I felt the same.
However, I really believe you shouldn’t underestimate the contribution your site makes to supporting Therapy? and the amount of info it provides to the fans. Surely, the fact that a few people hadn’t found the info they were looking for on your site, doesn’t mean that’s the case for all people looking for info on T?.
As for replying to messages with just a link to your site (and the path to the info), I’m not too happy about that, to be honest, and I’m sure you understand (as you mentioned). Do note, however, that the reason that I’m not too happy about it is not the fact that you refer people to your site per se, but the fact that it’s all you do in those posts. I think the message boards are a valuable archive of T? info, and therefore I’d prefer it a lot more if you would provide the actual info people are looking for in the post itself. If you’d then add the link and location of where to find that info on your site as the source, it contributes both to the boards’ archive and promotes your site all at once :-)
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 19:14
#40
davefromoverthere wrote:
Title: suicidepact.com
oh i never go to that site.
it’s complete crap. garbage. horrible.
mucked up tabs and all.
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 19:18
#41
Alex wrote:
I appreciate what you are saying, Rene, but if I give all the information on the message board, then a link is totally redundant.
At the end of the day, there is a healthy competition between sites, and that’s the way it should be (especially going back to when the msgboard was just on teethgrinder.com) and I always tried never to cross the line (although you may feel I have and if that is the case I apologise for it — it was never my intention). For me personally, I am obviously trying to promote T? as best I can, and be part of that community, and that’s why I participate on these message boards. But there would surely be a massive conflict on interests if I restrained myself to post on these boards information that has, for a long time, been on suicidepact.com, and not mention that it is there.
_sometimes_ I do add the info in the link to the post. Sometimes, I do not. Maybe you feel I haven’t struck the right balance.
Maybe if that is the case, it is better if I do not post on these message boards at all?
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 19:37
#42
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
Well, as a regular visitor I’m sure you know that all posters are asked to link to their original source when quoting something so it makes sense to me that you can answer a question in a post and then link to sp.com as the source.
I think you’ll also find that if the information you give on the board is interesting, then people will follow the link to see what else is there, so I wouldn’t call this a ‘redundant’ exercise.
I don’t want there to be competition, healthy or otherwise, between T? sites. I would much rather see a comradery whereby the sharing of information, fun and all things T? related wasn’t affected by notches on the hit counter.
SarahXXX
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:06
#43
Alex wrote:
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:22
#44
Alex wrote:
oh, and, if they are, what if the original source is suicidepact.com ?
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:22
#45
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
Yes, they are. That’s why I’m always replying to people reminding them to post their source when they quote things. It’s also in the guidelines.
When I said “You can answer a question in a post and then link to sp.com as the source.” I thought that made it pretty clear that if sp.com was the source of your information then you should link to it. Okay?
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:26
#46
Alex wrote:
maybe I am being dumb, but you are talking about posting links to an official source should anything be copyrighted.
and me reporting on a lot of things that I do are not covered by copyright law in any particular way.
or am i reading the wrong part of the guidelines?
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:33
#47
Alex wrote:
and, further, you are talking about, surely, if i write about something, then i should link to it. i am not convinced your guidelines talk about the situation where i report a link and therefore should write about it!
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:35
#48
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
Alex, myself and Rene have both posted repeatedly and made our position clear.
Yes, the guidelines do refer to copyrighted information but I think it’s generally nice to give a link to your source of information so that they can have due credit.
I didn’t say if you post a link you should write about it. I said if you wrote about something that was on your website it was perfectly reasonable for you to link to it as well.
I was merely suggesting, because you seem to really want to link to your site, that you had a perfectly valid reason for doing so. I do apologise for trying to help you out.
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:44
#49
Alex wrote:
Hooch, I appreciate what you are saying.
But it pretty much directly contradicts what Rene is saying.
Whom should I believe?
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:46
#50
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
I’m not contradicting him at all, I’m trying to explain what he meant because you obviously didn’t understand the first time.
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:47
#51
Alex wrote:
Ha!
Cos I am soooo dumb!!
Look, if two people don’t communicate, how can it fall on one person’s shoulders to be wrong in that communication?
This is absolute fucking crap.
And I give up.
See ya all.
Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 23:51
#52
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
No one said you were dumb and no one said you were wrong, just that your clearly misread what Rene and I were trying to tell you. Try reading this thread again when you’ve calmed down. It does make sense.
Posted on Wed, 23 April 2003 at 00:07
#53
Mikala wrote:
Title: Sheesh
I am well and truly amazed at this.
:rolleyes:
This is obviously a really exciting time in the lifespan of T?…so much so that two guys, both of whom I respect, one of whom I know personally are so dedicated to the cause that they’re arguing semantics about who should bring what T? info to the masses and how, and what it says on the T&C’s and whether Michael likes Cock, and why the sky is blue, and who’s the administrator and who’s the community leader and who’s the slightly patronised ‘fan site’ etc. Let’s really just live and let live all…
This is how I see it: Rene feels ‘justly’ that as official site, he should have a bit of an uppper hand on the situ. Alex feels ‘justly’ that as he’s been doing his own T? site long before anyone gave him backing that he should be able to promote it. The reason both are arguing is that (let’s face it) T? has never had a HUGE fan base (save for 1992) and everyone’s jostling for every fan’s attention.
So, you two, go forth and multiply. Do what you like, get your own stuff, promote it (within reason…and I don’t think anybody can accuse Alex of being too ahem, Shameless, a self promoter) and let’s all hug in the middle yeah? I think it would suck ROYALLY if Alex were to disappear of this board.
You BOTH are doing a fantastic job from where I’m sitting.
Well done. *pats all around* Now, can we get back to feeling the love?
xM
Posted on Wed, 23 April 2003 at 08:42
#54
Citizen Erased wrote:
Title: Make tea, not war
Ignore this, I fucked up.
Go straight to the next post.
Posted on Wed, 23 April 2003 at 08:42
#55
Citizen Erased wrote:
Title: Make tea, not war
Alex’s site is really good, and I wouldn’t be here today if it hadn’t been for it. Hooray for Alex.
Rene’s site is also really nice, and I wouldn’t be here today if it hadn’t been for it either.
now stop stropping, because you’re both verging towards biggest dick competition time, and if we end up there, you’re both going to lose.
Sarah is a girl, and therefore is automatically nice, until she proves otherwise. But probably not so good at the above-mentioned competition.
:rolleyes::cool::rolleyes:
Posted on Wed, 23 April 2003 at 08:43
#56
davefromoverthere wrote:
Title: sniff
i love you mikala you peace maker you!
guess we’ll have to see if alex comes back. i can see both sides. i do’nt know
rene but i know alex (duh, pretty much
everyone knows who i am) obviously..
i can see both sides i think.. but what
do i know?..
Posted on Wed, 23 April 2003 at 15:11
#57
davefromoverthere wrote:
Title: Re: Make tea, not war
Citizen Erased wrote:
Alex’s site is really good, and I wouldn’t be here today if it hadn’t been for it. Hooray for Alex.
Rene’s site is also really nice, and I wouldn’t be here today if it hadn’t been for it either.
wouldn’t be here? that’s a bit disturbing,
sounds like you’re discussing yoru actual
birth… do alex and rene need to fess up
to something?!??!
Posted on Wed, 23 April 2003 at 16:38
#58
Citizen Erased wrote:
By ‘not here’, I mean I would have been somewhere else, but then , I <suspect> you knew that…
This is not to say that Rene and Alex have nothing to own up to, just that if they do, it’s nothing to do with me! :D
Posted on Wed, 23 April 2003 at 16:42
#59
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
Title: Re: Make tea, not war
Citizen Erased wrote:
Alex’s site is really good, and I wouldn’t be here today if it hadn’t been for it. Hooray for Alex.
Rene’s site is also really nice, and I wouldn’t be here today if it hadn’t been for it either.
now stop stropping, because you’re both verging towards biggest dick competition time, and if we end up there, you’re both going to lose.
Sarah is a girl, and therefore is automatically nice, until she proves otherwise. But probably not so good at the above-mentioned competition.
:rolleyes::cool::rolleyes:
If I win the competition, will that be proof enough? ;)
Posted on Thu, 24 April 2003 at 02:22
#60
davefromoverthere wrote:
Title: Re: Re: Make tea, not war
hoochalobster wrote:
If I win the competition, will that be proof enough? ;)
shhhhhhh. no joking about such things.
living in central florida, i see that
enough in reality!!!
Posted on Thu, 24 April 2003 at 05:11
