War On Iraq on Wall of Mouths

War On Iraq

since the US have already decided about that war let us declare our own war against USA and their allies and fight them with every means we have. start the riot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on Sun, 16 March 2003 at 23:02

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Citizen Erased (confused again) wrote:

Or get the war over and done with as quickly as possible, before Iraq grows lush with vegetation and turns into Vietnam

Posted on Mon, 17 March 2003 at 09:19

Shra-Mee wrote:

Well, I don´t think that Iraq whould turn into Vietnam.
After 2 weeks or so, the whole thing will be over and the US will get cheaper oil…
The frustrating thing is, that we have things like international courts, the UN and other trans-international allies, but when the USA wants to start a war, all of these don´t count any longer…

Posted on Mon, 17 March 2003 at 09:29

Stiggi wrote:

bush, rumsfeld and powel to me act like in a real life satire. every two weeks the same words: “time’s up for sadam, we’ve got evidence of him blablabla” and when they want to show the evidence they tell you the same crap as ever. then of course the wonderfull world of insulting other countrys like france, germany and even usa’s puppy great britan, brought to you by rumsfeld. it would be a good laugh, if only this crap was deciding about many thousand lifes.

Posted on Mon, 17 March 2003 at 13:07

Bad Karma wrote:

There are going to be lots of innocent lives lost.

Posted on Mon, 17 March 2003 at 15:27

Michael wrote:

The problem with Bush and his allies is that they think too much black and white, there is no grey area. If you’re not in favour of a war, you’re against the USA, no compromise. Frankly, I wouldn’t like it when my own country (Holland) would participate, too many crazy people who would seek for revenge. Just think about how easy it would be to spread a disease (via the water system, for instance)…

Posted on Mon, 17 March 2003 at 16:30

opalmantra wrote:

I think it has become an obsession. The USA simply can’t turn back. I don’t believe in starting a war, to prevent one. Its just as cruel.
There are other ways to get rid of Saddam…(liquidation or support the opposing parties in Iraq -> to perform a coupe).
And the weapon inspectors are making progress (although slowly).
Bush doesn’t want to stand in the wind holding his dick.
I don’t think a war is ligitimate. Neither do I think the threat of Iraq is THAT big…for us western countries. I fear there will be AFTER a war…as Arab countries see this as an holy war against the Islam.

Posted on Mon, 17 March 2003 at 21:52

Citizen Erased (confused again) wrote:

Title: Happier days…

Have a vague feeling I’ve seen this before, possibly on this message board somewhere, so sorry if I’m being tedious.

(Before changing the message boards’ software in August 2007 this post had a file attachment, which may return in the future)

Posted on Tue, 18 March 2003 at 11:29

infernalover wrote:

in italy there’s lot of people anti-war… you can see all around in towns the peace flag… i don’t have an opinion yet… but my father has off his window a stars-and-stripes and an italian flag… (while ALL my nighbours has got a peace one)…

Posted on Tue, 18 March 2003 at 12:01

Born-in-a-crash wrote:

opalmantra wrote:
There are other ways to get rid of Saddam…(liquidation or support the opposing parties in Iraq -> to perform a coupe).

By Iraqi law there is only one political party which is Saddam’s. It is a dictatorship

Posted on Tue, 18 March 2003 at 14:50

#10

Christian wrote:

He probably means something like the kurds or so.

This has all been tried, and some of this is said to be quite embarassing for the CIA. (Ever heard the story about the Iraqis using a phone by an agent to call the CIA headquarters telling them all their men are dead? Don`t know if it`s true, but well..)

Anyway, I think where the Bush-Administration failed miserably is to convince people of why containment doesn`t work. The links to terrorists organisations they were trying to make are all rather weak.

Posted on Tue, 18 March 2003 at 15:19

#11

Citizen Erased (confused again) wrote:

The terrorism argument does seem to have a distinct lack of evidence to back it up. The only justification I can see is that Sadly Insane has been fannying around for the past 12 years, running circles around the UN, but that would mean

1) That the UN would have to act, which it’s clearly incapable of doing. However that doesn’t mean the US/UK should be sending the boys, and…

2) If ignoring the UN mandates is sufficient cause for action, then the troops should be stopping off in Israel on the way home, as there are UN resolutions way older there that are being continually flauted. And no doubt other countries too.

Still, it’s a good chance for Iberia to tighten its trade links with the UK/US whilst we’re all upset with France. Cynical?

Posted on Tue, 18 March 2003 at 15:41

#12

Christian wrote:

Citizen Erased wrote:
2) If ignoring the UN mandates is sufficient cause for action, then the troops should be stopping off in Israel on the way home, as there are UN resolutions way older there that are being continually flauted. And no doubt other countries too.

I think Iraq is special because resolutions were passed against it that allowed military action in the past.

The resolutions against Israel are in some way different I`ve heard, they`re in no way enforcing compliance or something (might sound odd, don`t know the english words for that right now.). I have to do some research on that sometime.

Imho it doesn`t matter that much if the action is “legal” anyway, it`s more about being “smart” and “justified” which is way more important I think, because of veto powers like China one cannot expect the security council to be the ultimate instance for things like that.

Posted on Tue, 18 March 2003 at 17:25

#13

trigger wrote:

infernalover wrote:
in italy there’s lot of people anti-war… you can see all around in towns the peace flag… i don’t have an opinion yet… but my father has off his window a stars-and-stripes and an italian flag… (while ALL my nighbours has got a peace one)…

i suppose your grandfather fought with mussolini?????

Posted on Tue, 18 March 2003 at 20:56

#14

infernalover wrote:

exactly…

Posted on Tue, 18 March 2003 at 22:42

#15

penn wrote:

at least your father choosed the flag of the country that kicked mussolini’s ass…

even if it’s the same country whose president clearly said that he won’t let any other country reach its economical and military power.
how can other countries support him while he’s telling them they won’t ever count like the us?

Posted on Wed, 19 March 2003 at 10:01

#16

infernalover wrote:

in fact i haven’t yet an opinion of that situation..
and, i think my father put the flag only ‘cause he’s pro-war…

but, penn, you must admit that mussolini has done some right things for italy (railways, terrain bonifications, schools, hospitals, insurances -ina, inail, inps- ecc…) i think his only mistake was to follow hitler with racial laws and with nonsense military campaigns (libia, russia, etiopia, albania..)

Posted on Wed, 19 March 2003 at 11:47

#17

Shra-Mee wrote:

“his only mistake” ???
Well, I think, this was a BIG mistake…

Posted on Wed, 19 March 2003 at 13:54

#18

Kyra wrote:

hmmm..and did he have any other chance, i’ve always wondered. my grandfather wasn’t a proper partisan but had always been against fascism and such parties. yet i’m pretty sure i heard him sayin mussolini’s dictatorship sort of managed to bring some order to the country (i mean italy) during those chaotic times.
it’s best not to discuss too much about past history for we don’t know for sure what really happened. when you read different books, the facts don’t match. 1,000 teachers never tell you the same story. even what elderly people say sounds confusing. if i had to say what exactly is going on in the present i wouldn’t be able to tell ya. i can only suppose. and that’s the present. let alone the past..

Posted on Wed, 19 March 2003 at 15:22

#19

Citizen Erased (confused again) wrote:

I think that one of the lures of the fascists in the 1930’s was that they promised (and did) bring some order at a very chaotic time, globally, which gave people a bit of a reason to look the other way. Funny world, I don’t supose you can really say that everyone that supported them were bad people, even if they did commit some (okay, a lot of) horrible crimes. Funny world.

Posted on Wed, 19 March 2003 at 15:47

#20

Shra-Mee wrote:

Many people even didn´t realized, that they were supporting Nazis / Fascists.

Posted on Wed, 19 March 2003 at 19:19

#21

Citizen Erased (confused again) wrote:

Wonder if we (in the UK and US) will be viewed the same way in 50 yearss’ time

Posted on Wed, 19 March 2003 at 19:28

#22

trigger wrote:

what about matteoti and all the other people that died or where tortured by mussolini’s thugs? i’ve heard this nonsense too about the junta that took place during 1967-1974 here in greece. people are like
‘we used to be more safe back then, a policeman was always in the neighbourhood’. what can one answer to that…

Posted on Wed, 19 March 2003 at 22:18

#23

Kyra wrote:

people living in small towns, the kind of towns where everyone knows who’s who, were forced to support fascism. there was too much talking, and if only a person was known to be against fascists that village would have probably turned into a slaughter

Posted on Thu, 20 March 2003 at 13:03

#24

penn wrote:

hitler was a sweet guy, too.
he really loved his dog, isn’t it?

Posted on Thu, 20 March 2003 at 13:31

#25

Born-in-a-crash wrote:

Why did the allied drop about 20-30 missiles on one building on Iraq last night? Thats a question I would like to ask. I mean, how much more stupid can you get than that? Thats taking extremes to the surreal extremes. One missile surely would have done it…actually being a pascifist I wouldn’t even agree with that.

Posted on Thu, 20 March 2003 at 13:42

#26

White Psycho wrote:

But you must admit Bush is taking the war VERY seriously. After telling the US that they were at war he goes and has dinner with the wife, then by 10.15 he’s tucked up in bed with his teddy and saddam voodoo doll. While Tony Blair is getting 3 hours sleep each night and looking an absolute wreck.

Posted on Thu, 20 March 2003 at 20:44

#27

trigger wrote:

White Psycho wrote:
But you must admit Bush is taking the war VERY seriously. After telling the US that they were at war he goes and has dinner with the wife, then by 10.15 he’s tucked up in bed with his teddy and saddam voodoo doll. While Tony Blair is getting 3 hours sleep each night and looking an absolute wreck.

that may happen because bush does not have to decide for anything, others do it for him. btw, i got this pic in a mail yesterday, check it out.

(Before changing the message boards’ software in August 2007 this post had a file attachment, which may return in the future)

Posted on Thu, 20 March 2003 at 21:39

#28

White Psycho wrote:

the crappy spelling kinda weakens it

Posted on Fri, 21 March 2003 at 19:29