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Started by Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator in Therapy? Live

I’ve just sent this out on the mailing list:

Ok, it appears that there has been some confusion about our October/November tour. Certain clubs have been advertising and selling tickets for our forthcoming tour without these shows being CONFIRMED. Obviously we don’t want people to pay money or make travel arrangements for a show which isn’t definately 100%. This is pretty shitty for all concerned as well as THERAPY? getting the blame for changed dates or non-shows.

We began working on this tour about 6 weeks ago and at all times we were aware of the ‘proposed’ schedule. The reason we didn’t make anything official was that our agent had to ensure that the dates fitted logically together and that the clubs would be able to provide the required technical support…suitable sound system, lighting equipment, security and safety practises. Until the end of last week we were still changing dates around to make the tour flow more logically and efficiently. Now we have confirmed all the European shows on our website which means people have a good 7 weeks to buy tickets and make travel/work/school plans if necessary.

Check out the confirmed European shows on our website:
http://www.therapyquestionmark.co.uk/tour/

To explain the delay a little bit…It’s not just a case of our agent going out with a wish list and saying to the promoters “This is the way it’s going to be”. There are considerable factors such as travelling distances (our bus driver can only legally drive a certain amount of hours in one 24 hr period), border taxes (we don’t want to be going in and out of countries repeatedly to pay duty on our tshirts again and again) plus bear in mind these clubs are trying to accomodate other artists and tours which face the same logistical problems around the same time.

If we announce “the tour” too early or piecemeal we run the very real possibility of looking stupid and pissing people off when we have to change something. Better to be patient and “slow” than fast and wrong. Believe you me, two weeks ago the tour looked very different to how it looks now.

We do get annoyed when dates are advertised before the band and management have agreed to do them but in these days of instant communication there is nothing we can do to stop it …BUT we would rather wait so as not to feed fans wrong or potentially wrong information. The reason THERAPY? still manage to do successful, professional tours year after year is that we are very careful about choosing the right clubs and scheduling which ensures both ourselves and our audiences enjoy the show. We thank you for all your support.

At the risk of repeating ourselves NOTHING IS DEFINATE until it is anounced on our website. This means the club, agent, band and management have reached a definate agreement about the concert and a contract has been signed which guarantees the bands appearance.

Sorry if this has gone on a bit but we felt it was important to clear up some of these confusing rumours which have been flying around regarding the tour. The UK shows will be announced on the site as soon as they are confirmed as will the support acts. Thanks for reading…just remains for me to add we’re really looking forward to these shows and plan to kick as much ass as ever…see y’all down the front…

Michaelxx tpy?2003

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 15:02

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irishlady wrote:

Teethgrinder wrote:

[..] people have a good 7 weeks to buy tickets and make travel/work/school plans if necessary.

therapy? really do understand their fans :D
thanks for that one rené and thanks to michael for clearing up the “tour-confusion”!!

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 15:13

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Alex wrote:

Erm… personally I don’t think there was much tour confusion at all…? Has anyone really been “confused”? OK, so a date moved, but big deal… This seems to have become a mountain…, or do people disagree with me?

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 15:21

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Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

Well, I know that several people have e-mailed me and T? to ask about tour dates which have been announced on venues’ websites and have now been changed/cancelled, so there was definitely some confusion.

Also, I know that there was at least one gig (Hardenberg) for which tickets were being sold for the wrong date and this might have not been the only one. I don’t think we should underestimate the issues that announcing (and especially selling tickets for) unconfirmed tour dates can bring with them, like useless travel and sleeping arrangements.

Even if Michael’s e-mail only saves one fan from making unnecessary expenses to attend a gig (and some people travel long ways to be able to attend a T? gig!) it’s already been worth it in my view.

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 15:33

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Alex wrote:

Oh, I agree there, but I would have thought that if a venue is selling tickets for a gig, and then the gig is postponed/cancelled/moved — you are entitled to a refund if you want one? And the most important thing for a gig is to get the ticket. Travel arrangements surely you would make later on, once you are sure the gig is going ahead? I dunno. I see what you are saying, but sometimes I can’t help thinking whether it is T? tour confusion, or fans’ brain confusion.

:)

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 15:35

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Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

I’m pretty sure you are entitled to a refund for a ticket if a gig has been postponed/cancelled/moved like you said, but they definitely won’t cover any other expenses you made to attend the gig, and they might not be refundable at all.

I agree with you that it’s best to not make travel arrangements until you’re sure that a gig is going ahead, but having a ticket with the band, venue and date printed on it in front of you surely gives most people the feeling that it is?

As ‘the average fan’ probably only checks in on the site every once in a while, and not everybody reads the message boards we decided to send out this e-mail to make clear that a gig hasn’t been officially confirmed until it’s on the site… sadly even if you have a ticket.

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 15:50

#6

Alex wrote:

That’s fair enough.

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 16:15

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Lenny wrote:

So about the Astoria Gig - its on suicidepact as the 26th of Nov. and on ticketmaster as the 25th. Any idea when this will be officially confirmed as I wanna book a flight from Ireland on the cheap and then take in Machine Head the next night (I hope)

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 18:50

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RobbyVDH wrote:

Only one show in Belgium compared to all those in Holland… :(

Nevertheless: you Holland freaks are already warned: I will do every fucking show in your country so be prepared :D

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 19:15

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RobbyVDH wrote:

irishlady wrote:

therapy? really do understand their fans :D
thanks for that one rené and thanks to michael for clearing up the “tour-confusion”!!

Yeah, sucking up big time :p

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 19:17

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not_that_kind_of_guy (a story on the radio) wrote:

Lenny wrote:

So about the Astoria Gig - its on suicidepact as the 26th of Nov. and on ticketmaster as the 25th. Any idea when this will be officially confirmed as I wanna book a flight from Ireland on the cheap and then take in Machine Head the next night (I hope)

the wayahead ticket box office has it listed for the 25th

xxx

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 19:19

#11

Alex wrote:

Lenny wrote:

So about the Astoria Gig - its on suicidepact as the 26th of Nov. and on ticketmaster as the 25th. Any idea when this will be officially confirmed as I wanna book a flight from Ireland on the cheap and then take in Machine Head the next night (I hope)

The info on sp.com is from the advert in the Reading programme. It’s not confirmed as Rene says, and as Michael says, until it’s on this website. So don’t book your flight yet! :)

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 19:21

#12

Alex wrote:

Actually, it looks like it must have moved — the ad in Reading programme says that tickets are available at gigsandtours.com — they weren’t up there last week, and now they are — for the Tuesday.

So my money is now gonna be on the Tuesday :)

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 19:23

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Alex wrote:

nme.com/gigs has it for the Tues too. But they use the same network as WayAhead, so that’s not really additional confirmation.

Posted on Tue, 2 September 2003 at 19:25

#14

Reverend Savage? wrote:

Hmmm.

Rene tries to dispel all the confusion, but we just keep on going! :rolleyes:

Posted on Thu, 4 September 2003 at 10:38

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Teethgrinder’s post on Thu, 4 September 2003 at 10:53 was deleted by a moderator

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belfagor wrote:

hehe, getting confused over here too…
It says here on the website Therapy? will be playing at the Black Out club in Rome, 13/11. I’ve just checked http://www.blackoutrockclub.com and according to them Napalm Death will be playing on that day. D’oh!

Posted on Thu, 4 September 2003 at 19:44

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ctrlaltdelete (chris) wrote:

like the good reverend was saying, maybe we shouldn’t talk about until they come out, so no mre confsion arises. And then when they are confirmed.WOOHOO!:D

Posted on Thu, 11 September 2003 at 08:59

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Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

There seems to be some miscommunication between different promotors regarding the show in the Black Out Rock Club. It is currently being investigated and I will let you know as soon as I hear anything.

Posted on Fri, 12 September 2003 at 13:41

#19

belfagor wrote:

Thank you, boss!

Posted on Fri, 12 September 2003 at 18:49

#20

Alex wrote:

Napalm Death is currently listed as 4 December on the Black Out web site.

Posted on Fri, 12 September 2003 at 20:58

#21

Lenny wrote:

Ryanair have loads of free seats to London on sale so Im still probably gonna piss away all my money and go to London the day earlier. Cheers for all your help. I’l probably see you at the show

Posted on Sat, 13 September 2003 at 01:47

#22

Alex wrote:

Ha! ANd now you can book tickets to see Therapy? at the Reading Fez Club on Fri 21 November.

ANd you can book tickets to see Therapy? at the Rugeley Theatre on Fri 21 November.

This one’s interesting :)

Posted on Sun, 14 September 2003 at 12:45

#23

belfagor wrote:

Alex wrote:

Napalm Death is currently listed as 4 December on the Black Out web site.

yep, just saw it. they’ve finally updated it

Posted on Sun, 14 September 2003 at 16:28

#24

rocking roxy wrote:

ok, i know i’m a bit late, but anyway i still want to give my “senf” to all of that “tour confusion”, which i cannot see too, but if you think so…

euh?…about that logistical things…not paying taxes twice blabla…what about that hamburg gig then? doesn’t that mean being in germany twice??…sorry, i’m not such a professional in making tourplans… :D

and about the distances…i didn’t knew that travelling “kreuz und quer” is better then doing a “logical round” or s.th. like that…

yeah well, and anyway…

Posted on Mon, 15 September 2003 at 22:25

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Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

Well, I think we’ve already established that there was definitely some confusion, so there’s not much else I can say about that.

As for the logistics of the tour, they try to do it as economically and comfortably as possible (taking the mentioned taxes and travelling distances into account), but it’s very hard to get the entire tour exactly as they’d want, especially because of the fact that there are lots of other artists/bands doing the same thing!

Posted on Mon, 15 September 2003 at 22:33

#26

Alex wrote:

Alex wrote:

Ha! ANd now you can book tickets to see Therapy? at the Reading Fez Club on Fri 21 November.

ANd you can book tickets to see Therapy? at the Rugeley Theatre on Fri 21 November.

Rugeley has been cancelled, so looks like the Fez Club is a go…

Posted on Tue, 16 September 2003 at 10:41

#27

Erch wrote:

Title: Sweden

Hey… I just found out that the gig at “Sticky Fingers” in Gothenburg, Sweden is no longer listed on the tour shedule… WHY?????????? No visit to Sweden?

Posted on Tue, 16 September 2003 at 21:46

#28

Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

Check out my post in the Gothenburg thread for more info:
http://www.therapyquestionmark.co.uk/wallofmouths/showthread.php? … #post46163

Welcome to the boards, by the way!

Posted on Tue, 16 September 2003 at 21:50

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not_that_kind_of_guy (a story on the radio) wrote:

worryingly, the astoria date is still not listed on the official london astoria website. http://www.meanfiddler.com :(

Posted on Tue, 16 September 2003 at 21:58

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Alex wrote:

Wouldn’t worry about that. It’s on aloud.com, and the tour is “confirmed” now. OK, the Gothenburg thing didn’t quite work out, but you have to cross that threshold of belief at some point, and I would have thought that the Astoria gig will go ahead.

Posted on Wed, 17 September 2003 at 00:06

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