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Started by gilbert

Ok was listening to some really old therapy? Last night pre nurse stuff and it came to my attention how close Neil and fyfes techniques are. Even though graham was a good drummer I don’t think that he is on their level of technique. Don’t get me wrong I do like graham’s drumming but as it has been said before he does tend to leave out some of the trickier beats out of the older songs i.e. teethgrinder. However Neil seems to get them out effortlessly. I saw Neil belting out teethgrinder at Nottingham it was then that I realised that they had made the right choice. Lets just hope that he is happy at therapy? And the record label is happy with them.

Here’s to more therapy albums and neck aches.

Cheers guys

oh yeah get well soon Mr Mcc

Posted on Sun, 14 December 2003 at 20:18

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#1

White Psycho wrote:

yeah neil’s drumming is great. Graham’s was bloody good too (just listen to suicide pact!) Seeing them at leeds was one of the best nights of my life! I was so happy!

Posted on Sun, 14 December 2003 at 23:26

#2

Fordonian wrote:

There are two drummers who made me wanna play drums; one was Lars Ulrich and the other was Fyfe. I met Andy and told him this and he seemed amazed coz apparently Fyfe felt he didint do enough for the world of drumming but hey, he did for me. However, Neil is a great drummer and clearly the right way for T? to be going- IIKM is an absolutley brilliant track- so much fun for a dance! I saw them in Nottingham as weel and man, all of it kicked ass! And at the same time as saying this I can hear Big Cave In my head and thats fucking awesome!

I think we should take all of T?’s drummers as they are and not compare so much. I’ve found that drummers have a massive community feel thats not really found in any other instrument and its great- its great that everyone can leave their egos and understand what it is that each other is trying to achieve and play for any particular piece.

Anyway my summation is that I think all of T?’s drummers are cool, I love the music and wouldn’t be what I am today without it- just coz I’ve tried playing it all so much. Hope this makes sense… because I am drunk but hell!! “Wanna spend my whole life…”

Cheers!

Posted on Mon, 15 December 2003 at 02:16

#3

JSar666 wrote:

I think there’s been plenty drummer threads on this board, but after having listened quite intensively to T? this weekend, I have to say I like Fyfe’s output the most. Neil’s pretty good too, but he’s only had one album to prove his worth so far, so I’ll have to go with Fyfe.

Posted on Mon, 15 December 2003 at 09:02

#4

Standinline wrote:

I think one thing has been forgotten…

The Sound of Graham´s drums where quite Different to Fyfe´s and Neil´s…

Fyfe and Neil has the snare-sound a little bit more like their hitting on a ” Soup of Can…” a Can…
Grahams snare sound where more “heavy” and not so “sticky” as Fyfes sound on “Nurse” and “Troublegum”…and Neils “High Anxiety”

Grahams work on “Semi-Detached” and “Suicide-You First” is absolutely amazing…He is the Bulldozer of the 3 drummers

(*Troublegum has a really unique Drum-sound…the Best..!)

Posted on Mon, 15 December 2003 at 09:59

#5

JSar666 wrote:

I think the drumming on Troublegum is the best too.

The guitar work isn’t very hard, even compared to some of T?’s latter material (lots of single note guitar melodies), which isn’t to say it’s bad, in fact it’s fucking brilliant.

But the drumming really is the dog’s bollocks. I don’t know if it’s hard to play at all, but just the vision of Fyfe behind that kit like a fucking Duracell Bunny is enough to get me headbanging :cool:

Posted on Mon, 15 December 2003 at 12:03

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tatty seaside town wrote:

JSar666 wrote:

but just the vision of Fyfe behind that kit like a fucking Duracell Bunny is enough to get me headbanging :cool:

Thats the best comparison i heard so far. *g*

Well Fyfe´s sound and technique is much harder to play, in comparison to grahams …
Graham had this too straight technique.

But we discussed the drummer problem in other threads already …

Posted on Mon, 15 December 2003 at 13:05

#7

Standinline wrote:

yes…It´s amazing how you can “trigger” the Drums to sound really interesting…
…And I´m proud of listening to a Band that has had such a Nice and inovative Drummers all of them…T? -drummers Rock!

Imagine the 3 of them playing together…”Breaking your ears with mad Rhtyms…he-he..amazing stuff…?:):):)

3 tips:

1) Listen to Graham on “Hate,Kill, Destroy”…(Amazing!)

2) Listen to Fyfe on “Teethgrinder” (Superb…!)

3) Listen to Nile on “Rust” (That Intro..!)

Cheers!

:)

Posted on Mon, 15 December 2003 at 16:54

#8

hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

gilbert wrote:

Neil seems to get them out effortlessly.

After the Leeds gig my sister told Neil that she thought Teethgrinder was easy to play and he agreed that he found it simple, but liked to pull faces so everyone thought it was hard :D

Posted on Mon, 15 December 2003 at 19:07

#9

gilbert wrote:

looked more like he had constapation

Posted on Mon, 15 December 2003 at 19:23

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Alan wrote:

hoochalobster wrote:

After the Leeds gig my sister told Neil that she thought Teethgrinder was easy to play and he agreed that he found it simple, but liked to pull faces so everyone thought it was hard :D

Ah yes, but he doesn’t play it (completely) like Fyfe! Neil’s version is more like a cross between Fyfe & Graham’s methods of playing it.

Posted on Tue, 16 December 2003 at 09:07

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Alan wrote:

.. also has to be mentioned that not only did Fyfe sing the song, but he also triggered all the samples live. It’s the combination of everything that made it such an impressive beast back in the early days :)

Posted on Tue, 16 December 2003 at 09:16

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, I have always been mightily impressed - but I don’t know the first thing about drumming so the whole being able to co-ordinate two or more limbs is pretty darn impressive to me. Just my sis said it was really easy and then Neil agreed and I always thought it sounded so good it must be hard! I shall point out to her about the singing and sampling at the same time though…

Posted on Tue, 16 December 2003 at 19:21

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Knives wrote:

I listened to SMFTTYP in the car CD changer today and really noticed the difference in drumming between Fyfe and Graham.

So, I am now studying 3 versions of Teethgrinder:
- the album version (Fyfe)
- the Rock Ternat bootleg (Graham)
- the My Voodoo Doll single (Neil)

I’m not a drummer, so I can’t judge whether it is hard to play. But one thing is clear, Fyfe’s version is the definitive version.

Neil’s version is closer to the original than Graham’s, but it doesn’t quite get there. But it was the first time he played the song. And he isn’t there to just copy the original during live performances.

Graham’s version is just plain wrong in the verses, he totally misses the hi-hat rythm. But he does some interesting stuff in the break (with the “losing his mind” sample).

Graham seems to have more complex, not plain 4/4 rythm patterns. Neil and Fyfe are more straigthforward drummers. But there’s a definite difference between Neil’s style and Fyfe’s style as well. Neil uses his bass drum a lot more to keep the rythm going. Fyfe uses his snare and hi-hat to keep the rythm going. And Fyfe is ‘kid disco’ for a reason. I think Standinline’s choice of examples illustrates these points.

Bottom-line, all 3 versions get me excited and wanting to go see a T? show. I never realised before tonight that they were that different.

Posted on Tue, 16 December 2003 at 21:16

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Taunty Dan wrote:

Standinline wrote:

2) Listen to Fyfe on “Teethgrinder” (Superb…!)

couldn’t agree more!! when the song kicks in after the main riff its absolutely amazing! one of them classic musical moments, like the intro to teen spirit. Thats not a bad subject actually, classic ‘fuck ME how GOOD IS THAT???’ music moments. Teethgrinders definiely in there.

Posted on Tue, 16 December 2003 at 21:27

#15

HurricaneHolgi (Holgi) wrote:

by the way, does anybody know what are Fyfe and Graham doing at the moment or in which band they play. I really like to hear how they are doing in other bands, etc.

Greetz

E.

Posted on Wed, 17 December 2003 at 00:28

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JSar666 wrote:

I completely agree Dan. After the intro riff is played on the guitar and the drums start… man, it makes the hair on my arms stand up!

Wrt Graham, he’s got a band called HALITE and he’s also drumming for Gemma Hayes. I’ve heard neither myself, but I’ve heard they both suck.

Fyfe joined a band post-T?, but I dunno what became of them. I think they had a single that got a good review in Kerrang! Might even have been Single of the Week.

Posted on Wed, 17 December 2003 at 08:38

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Alan wrote:

Yeah, Fyfe has fallen off the edge of the world - he hasn’t been seen since 1998 when his band Divers split up.

Graham is the singer/guitarist in his band Halite. They opened for RHCP at the massive Slane festival in Ireland a couple of months ago. I would love if he could make the same transition from drummer to singer/guitarist ala Dave Grohl, but Halite’s music is bland pop music unfortunately. Still, he seems to be doing well and I’m sure he’s happy.

Best drumming:
Fyfe: Teethgrinder
Graham: Big Cave In
Neil: If It Kills Me

Posted on Wed, 17 December 2003 at 08:53

#18

JSar666 wrote:

Alan, I agree :)

Posted on Wed, 17 December 2003 at 14:29

#19

Patrik_H wrote:

Yeah i saw halite (grahams band) on a kids tv show over here not too long ago, and my oh my, not nice, i mean i took the image of graham when he was in therapy (crazy angry spiky!) and in halite (soulful, clean, pop) its just a crazy transition man. if you like therapy? then there is a 99% chance you will not like halite
Fyfe lives somewhere doing something terribly ordinary, and saying wel,, i was the guy who played on teethgrinder so fuck that! :)

Posted on Thu, 18 December 2003 at 15:46

#20

Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:

I reckon Fyfe teaches drums for a living now (if not he should!), getting the odd cheque from A&M every now and then. As for Halite, man fucking pop garbage. What was Graham thinking. Neil has the speed and timing (although Graham had good timing to) I think he’s exactly what T? need, he rocks. He loves Slayer…and it shows!

For the next songs T? record, Neil should buy in some top quality drugs and go mental :p

Posted on Thu, 18 December 2003 at 16:22

#21

Reverend Savage? wrote:

tatty seaside town wrote:

Well Fyfe´s sound and technique is much harder to play, in comparison to grahams …
Graham had this too straight technique.

:mad:

Tatty I know we’ve crossed swords on this before - but i really wish you’d get your facts right. However much you may like Fyfe’s style it is a fact that Graham is the more technically accomplished of the two. If you’d studied drum technique you’de be aware of how many technical touches Graham puts in by comparison to Fyfe.

You were moaning in an earlier thread that people who don’t play bass or guitar can’t tell the difference. I’d like to moan now about people who haven’t studied the drums giving their ‘thoughts’ on drum technique…

Posted on Fri, 19 December 2003 at 12:08

#22

tatty seaside town wrote:

sorry, but i studied drumtechnique, although i am not a drummer.

my brother played for 10 years, and i play a bit, i am into a lot of professionel drummers like dennis chamber, dave weckl etc.

i studied jazz bass on the conservatory for two years and you have to learn all the ryhthms and techniques and theory … not just for bass!

I really know what i am saying, although it sounds like i am bit arrogant …
I am really really not :)

I am a really really a sweetie, redhairedgirlsloving, teddy bass bear *g*

Cheers!

Posted on Fri, 19 December 2003 at 15:09

#23

Reverend Savage? wrote:

tatty seaside town wrote:

sorry, but i studied drumtechnique, although i am not a drummer.

Hmmm. Ok let’s say you did - although it’s really not evident from your posts on T?’s drummers. If so, why not try writing out (yes, that’s right - writing out -with staves and dots) lets’s say, Fyfe’s ‘teethgrinder’ and Graham’s ‘big cave in’ and then we’ll have a discussion about which bits of technique are evident in each track.

3 things tatty.

- I don’t mean to have a go at you about this, just a friendly disagreement, yeah?

- I actually DO like Fyfe’s drumming, but

- I can hear all the technical touches Graham puts in almost every track, which are largely absent from Fyfe’s playing. So when you say Fyfe’s technique is superior, I have no choice but to disagree.

PS. Please don’t tell us any more about your sexual proclivities, ok? :eek:

Posted on Fri, 19 December 2003 at 15:39

#24

HurricaneHolgi (Holgi) wrote:

What I like about Fyfe, was his off-beat “techno-sounding” technic which, as I see it, is more difficult to learn.

E.

Posted on Fri, 19 December 2003 at 16:00

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tatty seaside town wrote:

Reverend Savage? wrote:

- I don’t mean to have a go at you about this, just a friendly disagreement, yeah?

same with me! I am not against your opinion or you in any way … we don´t have to write down the tabs … i know what you are meaning …
I don´t think graham is not a good drummer. But i don´t like the style he played over fyfes drumming …
He sounds to laid back … just listen to his version of loose … arghhhhhh!
Well its everybodies own opinion really …

Reverend Savage? wrote:

- I actually DO like Fyfe’s drumming, but

- I can hear all the technical touches Graham puts in almost every track, which are largely absent from Fyfe’s playing. So when you say Fyfe’s technique is superior, I have no choice but to disagree.

What he plays in his own songs is a really different style …
But i don´t like what he does to fyfes drumming … it often seems, that he is not able to play double strokes or whatever fyfe played when he went fast and crazy!

Reverend Savage? wrote:

PS. Please don’t tell us any more about your sexual proclivities, ok? :eek:

Why? Are you a redhaired girl? *ggggggggg*

Posted on Fri, 19 December 2003 at 16:05

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Reverend Savage? wrote:

tatty seaside town wrote:

But i don´t like what he does to fyfes drumming … it often seems, that he is not able to play double strokes or whatever fyfe played when he went fast and crazy!

OK Tatty - I see what you mean now. I think Graham had a hard time following Fyfe’s parts. I think the reason for this is that Fyfe was an instinctive drummer, whereas Graham is a technical one.

It’s hard for a technical drummer to learn instinct…

Blimey, does this mean we agree…? :D

PS. Please get that thought out of your head - I am NOT a readheaded girl (in fact even if I was, I’d deny it, fearing what you might say/do next) :p

Posted on Fri, 19 December 2003 at 16:39

#27

tatty seaside town wrote:

Reverend Savage? wrote:

OK Tatty - I see what you mean now. I think Graham had a hard time following Fyfe’s parts. I think the reason for this is that Fyfe was an instinctive drummer, whereas Graham is a technical one.

It’s hard for a technical drummer to learn instinct…

Hmmmmmmmm … do you mean by “technical drummer”, that he thinks of what he is playing, before he plays … ??
So with “technical” you would mean song related, but not like methodwise? (single, double strokes, paradiddle, …)

Reverend Savage? wrote:

Blimey, does this mean we agree…? :D

DUNNO :)

Reverend Savage? wrote:

PS. Please get that thought out of your head - I am NOT a readheaded girl (in fact even if I was, I’d deny it, fearing what you might say/do next) :p

Hey i said, that i am a sweetie … you don´t have to be scared or feel any fear *g*
Ask “irishlady” … she will agree *g*

Posted on Fri, 19 December 2003 at 17:11

#28

Gemil wrote:

Title: I would have to say to the good Reverend…

.. the mere fact that Fyfe was an instinctive drummer was much more in keeping with Therapy?’s sound as a band than that of Graham’s drumming.

To me, T? have always been an instinctive band. If you listen to the guitar riffs, they’re so simple, and I’m sure Andy wouldn’t profess to be the best technical guitarist in the world. And because of that, Graham’s more measured and technically correct approach didn’t seem to fit.

When Graham came on board, he brought all the technical bits with him, a background in jazz (as he told me when I interviwed him), and he introduced patterns and off-beat rhythms which Fyfe didn’t.

Thealbum he displayed a style closest to Fyfe’s is without doubt Semi Detached - after that, T?’s style altered and personally, I think the fact Fyfe left (whether that was orchestrated or natural progression) meant that T? were able to go in a new direction which Fyfe’s drumming wouldn’t allow.

T? are more rock ‘n’ roll now, whereas with Fyfe, there was clear evidence that his love of dance music, which translated into his drumming technique, influenced the band as a whole, including the guitars and bass. The sample lead songs were testament to this.

Fyfe’s drumming, because he probably was less rigid in as much as his fills weren’t technically perfect, was far more inventive than Graham’s. He had less rules to follow, and therefore he created his own drumming style.

With Graham, the fact he was more structured, to me, makes him bland in comparison.

I don’t think, in all the years I’ve been listening to T?, that Graham Hopkins, or for that matter Neil Cooper, has ever come up with a Teethgrinder, a Hypermania, an Innocent X, a Meat Abstract or a Dancin’ With Manson.

Fyfe was the man who inspired me to play drums because he thought outside of the box. That is what makes him an integeral part of T? and why they’ve possibly never filled his shoes, so to speak.

Posted on Tue, 23 December 2003 at 13:09

#29

Alan wrote:

Well put, man! :)

Posted on Tue, 23 December 2003 at 13:31

#30

RobbyVDH wrote:

I think we should just shut up about this… Fyfe and Graham are out and it’s brilliant to have Neil on board, this guy is an excellent drummer and is perfect for the band.

And whoever is the “best” drummer… who gives a fuck ??

Posted on Tue, 23 December 2003 at 13:36

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