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Re-use graves or forget burials… how sick?

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Started by not_that_kind_of_guy (a story on the radio)

how sick is this (taken from AOL news)

‘Re-use graves or forget burials’

A major new government review of burial law will ask if human remains should be exhumed so grave plots can be reused. It comes two years after MPs recommended that recycling long-abandoned graves was the only way to save historic cemeteries from decline. Failure to act could deny people the choice to opt for burial over cremation, they warned. The Home Office was launching a programme which would see all religions asked for their ideas on updating burial laws in England and Wales, some of which are more than 200 years old. Junior minister Paul Goggins was due to publish full details, although the document was not believed to contain definite proposals. In March 2001, an all-party House of Commons committee called for a fundamental shift away from the idea that burials should remain undisturbed for all time. They warned Britain was running out of cemetery space and suffering the slow decline of some of the nation’s grandest monuments.
MPs recommended bodies that had lain in graveyards for 75 to 100 years should be exhumed and reburied in a deeper grave, allowing the plot to be used for a second burial.
A Home Office spokeswoman confirmed the document would ask for views on exhumations and the re-use of old graves.
“We want to know what the public thinks is acceptable,” she said.

15/01/2004 13:50

this is so wrong i can’t even begin to describe it.
xxx

Posted on Thu, 15 January 2004 at 21:51

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

What do you suggest?

I’m not a religious person, so maybe that has some bearing but it makes sense to me. Personally, I’m all for cremation or eco-burials (like using cardboard so it biodegrades quicker).

If it’s a very old grave and the person no longer has relatives who visit or anything then I don’t see the harm in reburying them deeper so the graveyard can be reused and maintained. Presumably the headstone would still be there so they’re not forgotten.

Posted on Thu, 15 January 2004 at 22:34

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motherh666 wrote:

But the question really is. Are they edible?
If the bodies are now beef-jerky like, we could just repackage them and send them to the yanks. Problem solved.

Posted on Fri, 16 January 2004 at 08:35

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Citizen Erased wrote:

Feed em into the grinder and flush their mince into space…

Anything of mine that can be reused should be reused (1 liver, good condition…), the rest should go into a casserole or something for my wake. :)

Posted on Fri, 16 January 2004 at 09:17

#4

motherh666 wrote:

Use my skull as a punch-bowel at my wake.

Posted on Fri, 16 January 2004 at 09:33

#5

Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:

Ahh there dead. They don’t care

Posted on Fri, 16 January 2004 at 12:19

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Alan wrote:

To be honest, I thought they already recycled graves. I think they do it here in Ireland. After about 200 years the remains have wilted away to such a degree that they kinda sink further into the ground. Then they come along and bury another body in the space.

I don’t see what the problem is, the dead obviously don’t care and if the relatives have since died too, they don’t care either. So yeah, let ‘em use the space… nobody wants graveyards on every corner.

In fact, my father once said to me that when he dies, we should just put him in a refuse/rubbish bag and leave him unburied out in a field! His reason being that he’d be dead so he wouldn’t give a shit :D

Posted on Fri, 16 January 2004 at 13:15

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Citizen Erased wrote:

Alan wrote:

he’d be dead so he wouldn’t give a shit :D

Although you can fart for several hours after death.

I assume this is not continuously.

Posted on Fri, 16 January 2004 at 16:20

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mr self destruct wrote:

If you’ve got such a problem with it, NTKOG, then perhaps you’d like to donate your garden for burial space?

‘Cos they’re ain’t much room left in the cemeteries, and we can hardly bury corpses in public parks…

Posted on Fri, 16 January 2004 at 20:13

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not_that_kind_of_guy (a story on the radio) wrote:

my, my, i do seem to be fighting a losing battle here. i don’t care what all of you say. i personally find it absolutley disgusting. i just think it’s wrong that when i’m an old man they’ll be digging up my grandparents and thinking it’s okay. if any of you bothered to read the whole original post you’ll see that “75-100” years is their goal for ripping dead people out of the ground and burying them deeper. how fucking generous of them. shout at me and scream at me if you want, but this is wrong. just stop burying people if that’s what it comes to. the people in the ground can’t object as they are dead. cremate everyone from now on. or would that offend certain people? oh no, they can speak now, lets do what they say then. how do you expect people to rest in peace if they are constantly being dug up and moved? i’m sorry, i don’t normally feel this strongly about things but this is so totally wrong.

Posted on Fri, 16 January 2004 at 23:44

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Citizen Erased wrote:

I admit its a sensitive issue, but I really believe that life’s for the living, and it’s not so much that the dead can’t complain, but that the dead don’t have an opinion, and if they did, it would be that they didn’t care. By the time someone’s buried, they are just ‘remains’ - everything that made that person them has gone.

I agree though, that 75 years is quite a short time for this, but how far back would you have to go before it stopped being disgusting? Would excavating an ancient burial be as disgusting? Or fossils, which would be stretching the definition of “human” somewhat thinly?

@everyone else - recycle, reuse, return at http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/how_to_become_a_donor/how_to_become_a_donor.htm, and carry your card with you - at the end of the day, it’s of more use if you get hit by a bus than clean knickers!

Posted on Sat, 17 January 2004 at 10:54

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tartanskirtgirl wrote:

The idea of re-using burial plots isn’t a new one. In many central European cities plots are only leased for 10 to 30 years after which time the remains are removed to make way for someone else. There’s a place in Mexico where, if the relatives don’t continue to pay a fee, the corpses are put in a kind of museum for mummified corpses. I think personally that we are far to reticent in discussing these kinds of issues until an article like the AOL one appears and then we get on our high horses about it. If we were a bit more comfortable with the whole subject of death in general, we might be able to take a more practical approach to where our remains end up.

Posted on Sat, 17 January 2004 at 14:55

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allroy wrote:

Actually, in Germany you buy a grave for only about 25-30 years. Of course you can extend that ‘rent’ when it expires. When graves are ‘free’ again, they will be used again for the next ‘customer’.

Btw, as the ideal soundtrack for this thread I recommend Good Mourning by Alkaline Trio.

Posted on Sat, 17 January 2004 at 18:06

#13

Blonde Blade wrote:

My dad wants to be stuffed and put on the couch when he dies. Can anyone think of a good way for me to talk him out of this?

Posted on Thu, 22 January 2004 at 12:40

#14

Citizen Erased wrote:

No, but if you get him to go down on all fours, you might be able to get a free coffee table out of him.

Well, if parents are going to hang around, they might as well be useful.

Posted on Thu, 22 January 2004 at 15:33

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motherh666 wrote:

or upside-down and naked and use him as an umbrella holder for the hallway.

Posted on Thu, 22 January 2004 at 15:40

#16

Citizen Erased wrote:

Presumably with a place to hang your hat!

Posted on Thu, 22 January 2004 at 16:22

#17

motherh666 wrote:

that’ll be the toes

Posted on Thu, 22 January 2004 at 17:37

#18

efilnikufesin wrote:

They should watch that movie Poltergeist, that should put an end to their grave robbing shenanigans.
I dunno , i buried old monty the cat in the garden and dickhead said that sewer workers might have to dig up where he was buried to fix some pipe or something as if it didnt matter that they would be disturbing the ground, which i thought was disrespectful.

Posted on Thu, 22 January 2004 at 20:12

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