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Started by Michael in General Therapy? Topics

So, I was wondering what your opinions are regarding the fact that some early versions or demos sound better than the eventual ‘final’ result. I am listening to Kiss Me On The Ghost Train right now, and can’t help thinking that this version is better the Last Blast which it became in the end. Same applies to The Sweeney, I love that song!! Then there’s the early version of Me vs You, and the early version of This One’s For You. Anyway, those are just a few examples, and mind you, those are all personal opinions! Anyone agrees with me?

Posted on Thu, 18 March 2004 at 15:06

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Alan wrote:

Yeah, the early version of “Me Vs You” kicked loads of arse. The early version of “Joey”, called “New Song In D” back in 1996, was fantastic…the finished version on Shameless is very average.

I loved “The Sweeney” too - but I don’t think they finished this did they? If so, what did it become? There’s not really another Therapy? song that sounds like it.

But, then again, have you heard the early version of “Misery”? That was absolutely horrible!! :p:

Posted on Thu, 18 March 2004 at 16:11

#2

up_in_flames (Tom) wrote:

I can definatly agree as far as ‘me vs. you’ and ‘this one’s for you’ are concernded, though by no means the final versions are bad: ‘tofy’is my favourite track off shameless, and ‘me vs. you’ is a great song too, ‘though it’s overproduced that much.

I dont’t know about the other early versions, but the end of ‘the sweeney’ sounds quite like ‘lunacy booth’, or is it just me?

Posted on Thu, 18 March 2004 at 17:05

#3

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

“New Song In D” is really great, much better than the final version.
I like “If It Kills Me” (demo) and old versions played with Keith on drums.

Posted on Thu, 18 March 2004 at 22:32

#4

Andy D (Andy) wrote:

To me it’s the other way round. I like the versions that are made after the definitive versions like the new recording of Diane.

Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 00:39

#5

Jobrok wrote:

Don’t forget the “LONELY, CRYIN’ ONLY” b-sides…

I know they were probably only meant as a bit of fun by the line-up at the time, but great remakes all the same.

The new recordings of SKYWARD, TEETHGRINDER, and DISGRACELANDS were good, but the originals are best.

I particularly like the new recording of DIANE though. It kicks ass. I much prefer it to the cello version.

Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 08:30

#6

up_in_flames (Tom) wrote:

Jobrok wrote:

I particularly like the new recording of DIANE though. It kicks ass. I much prefer it to the cello version.

agreed, ‘though I like the version of ‘diane’ best which they played live around 2000. Just two distorted guitars, instead of the cello and ass-kicking as fuck. just sheer class.

Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 09:01

#7

Bad Karma wrote:

Never heard the early version of Me Vs You before how does it differ from the version on Infernal Love?I like the album version of Lonely Cryin Only better than Titanic.

Posted on Sat, 20 March 2004 at 13:24

#8

up_in_flames (Tom) wrote:

gimme your e-mail adress and I’ll send it to you! (5,05 mb)

btw: it sounds different, but simply great imho!

Posted on Sat, 20 March 2004 at 14:34

#9

RobbyVDH wrote:

Bad Karma wrote:

Never heard the early version of Me Vs You before how does it differ from the version on Infernal Love?

If I’m not mistaking, the early version was called Your Disease and it rocked a hell lot more than what showed up on Infernal Love…

Posted on Sat, 20 March 2004 at 17:35

#10

up_in_flames (Tom) wrote:

You’re damn right!!

Posted on Sat, 20 March 2004 at 17:44

#11

Michael wrote:

But Me vs You is not a bad song by any means, it’s quite good actually!
Anyone remembers the version of It It Kills Me that was played at the summer festivals in 2002? There’s a version from Marktrock in Leuven, which was even better than the version on HA. I just think there’s even more power and energy behind in that version. On the other hand, the final version of Hey Satan You Rock is way better and more powerful than the version they played at the summer festivals in 2002.

Posted on Sat, 20 March 2004 at 17:58

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up_in_flames (Tom) wrote:

Don’t know the early version of ‘HSYR’, but I also thought the early ‘IIKM’ was better, just because it was faster. ‘though neils drumming is way better then keiths’. actually when I first saw the video before high anxiety was released I thought: ‘oh shit, how did they manage to fuck the song up like this?’ but after hearing the final version the second time it was okay, and in fact it’s my favourite song off HA by now.

Posted on Sat, 20 March 2004 at 18:13

#13

RobbyVDH wrote:

If It Kills Me sounded really great in 2002, but I must say I prefer Neils drumming now… but nevertheless I love both versions ;)

But I definately prefer the HA version of Hey Satan You Rock.

Posted on Sat, 20 March 2004 at 18:44

#14

Bad Karma wrote:

up_in_flames wrote:

gimme your e-mail adress and I’ll send it to you! (5,05 mb)

Cheers you can add me to you’re MSN i’m paranoidpumpkin13@hotmail.com and we can arrange something.

Posted on Sun, 21 March 2004 at 11:54

#15

Jobrok wrote:

up_in_flames: early version of Me Vs You wrote:

gimme your e-mail adress and I’ll send it to you! (5,05 mb)

btw: it sounds different, but simply great imho!

Why don’t you try uploading it to this thread?
Then we could all have a lash off it.

Posted on Mon, 22 March 2004 at 09:22

#16

JSar666 wrote:

5,05 MB is too large a file to upload.

1048576 bytes is the maximum size of a file that can be uploaded on the WoM message board.

Posted on Mon, 22 March 2004 at 09:56

#17

Andy D (Andy) wrote:

The version of IIKM they played at the Lokerse Feesten in 2002 is even better than the Marktrock version.

What Me VS You is concerned, it contains a classic piece of evidence of how a classic great guitarsolo should sound like.

Posted on Mon, 22 March 2004 at 12:25

#18

scotdamn wrote:

Bad Karma wrote:

Cheers you can add me to you’re MSN i’m paranoidpumpkin13@hotmail.com and we can arrange something.

scotdamn@hetnet.nl

Posted on Mon, 22 March 2004 at 12:30

#19

up_in_flames (Tom) wrote:

scotdamn, I’ve tried to send the mp3 to you but got a delivery failure notification back. maybe the file is too large, as it actually has 7 mb.

Posted on Mon, 22 March 2004 at 14:57

#20

White Psycho wrote:

There was a bootleg on ebay which had your disease on it. I thought about bidding it but went to to check it before the auction ended and it was going for £35!!

Posted on Mon, 22 March 2004 at 15:02

#21

RobbyVDH wrote:

That was Shock Treatment I think… way too much for that one…

Posted on Mon, 22 March 2004 at 17:44

#22

Bad Karma wrote:

up_in_flames you have email.:)

Posted on Mon, 22 March 2004 at 18:57

#23

up_in_flames (Tom) wrote:

you too ;)

Posted on Tue, 23 March 2004 at 10:21

#24

scotdamn wrote:

Ohh my actual email is scotdamn@wanadoo.nl that other one was my msn email…

Posted on Tue, 23 March 2004 at 12:53

#25

scotdamn wrote:

Thanks it really rocks…

It’s cool to hear how the orginal songs were…

Posted on Wed, 24 March 2004 at 11:52

#26

White Psycho wrote:

can someone send me Your Disease? I really wanna hear it! Use this address
c.j.mckone@brad.ac.uk

thanks if anyone bothers!

Posted on Sat, 27 March 2004 at 21:53

#27

Alan wrote:

Alan wrote:

I loved “The Sweeney” too - but I don’t think they finished this did they? If so, what did it become? There’s not really another Therapy? song that sounds like it.

Been listening to “The Sweeney” a lot lately. If it did end up on ‘Semi Detached’ in some form or another, it most probably turned into “Heavens Gate” - there are some slight similarities. Although, “The Sweeney” kicks “Heaven Gate”s arse every time.

Posted on Fri, 2 April 2004 at 13:41

#28

Bad Karma wrote:

White Psycho wrote:

can someone send me Your Disease? I really wanna hear it!

Do you still need it WP?

If you do leave a message here for me or get me on MSN and i will send it.

Posted on Fri, 2 April 2004 at 16:05

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