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Started by ctrlaltdelete (chris) in Chit-Chat

well heres the story…
last month I recorded with my band.We did a new E.P, and the last few days Ive found they have been trying to push me out.Certain things have cropped up and i confronted them last nite.Apparently Im too heavy metal for them and I have too much of a rock’n’roll attitude.I like playing fast and complicated, whereas they dont…and that they didnt like some of the stuff I played…
so…

Firstly I’d like to stop the record from being released.I dont want to give my permission for them to use it,seen as they have crossed the linein my opinion and secondly, can I claim anything if they do realease it, or anything they re-record…?

In the words of royston vaseys favourite guitarist—-

“Its a shit bussiness…”

Posted on Wed, 23 March 2005 at 14:47

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ctrlaltdelete (chris) wrote:

baring in mind I’d like to take these…”friends” to the cleaners so to speak…and revenge is best served with a legal notice…what should I do folks…? It feels a bit like I was used to record the record, and they had it in mind to ditch me after I recorded for them…hmmmm

Posted on Wed, 23 March 2005 at 14:51

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deadsetgav wrote:

Did you pay for the recording to be done? how much of the writting did you contribute to? Will you still feel this pissed off in 3 months?

I don’t really know about the legalities too much but I would assume that if you contributed to the record either financially or musically then anything they make off the back of it you are entitled to a share…

Posted on Wed, 23 March 2005 at 16:20

#3

30seconds wrote:

Friends, who fuckin’ needs ‘em
They only let you down
They take your time
They bleed you dry

Posted on Wed, 23 March 2005 at 16:43

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ctrlaltdelete (chris) wrote:

oh i’ll be pissed off!

We got given the money for the 2nd recording…I wrote all the drum parts and helped with the guitar parts…We were meant to be touring with MONO in may and releasing this 1 through a small indie label…Not sure what to do.Spoke to my friend that runs the label and he said they would be hard pushed to find another drummer that would be able to do the same stuff, and that he wouldnt be putting the record out or arranging the tour for the band.
If someone says they’re not happy with what I did, then I dont think they deserve to put this out, or get anything out of what I put in…

Posted on Wed, 23 March 2005 at 16:54

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White Psycho wrote:

Matchbox 20 got sued because the lead singer was in a band called Tabitha’s Secret. They wrote a song where the lyrics were done by the singer by the tune was written by the others. Matchbox 20 re-recorded 3am. Court ruled that the tune was copyright of the other members and that the singer had no right to use it, so Tabitha’s Secret used the money to record an album.

Posted on Wed, 23 March 2005 at 21:20

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Divers (Simon) wrote:

I did music Law at uni, so as far as i can see I don’t think you can stop them from releasing it but as you play on it then you are entitled to money for each machanical copy made and sold depending on what contract you have with them because as far as that record goes you were part of the band. If you have a writing credit then as long as you have submitted your form to PRS or whoever then you can get money through them for royaltys. And if you paid for the recording then you have a better chance of stopping it as you own the copyright, or depending on the contract that you have with the label fellow band mates and so on. So they can buy you out but the end of the day with music law most things have to go to court to get somewhere and it’s all down to a jury.

Hope this is of help.

Posted on Thu, 24 March 2005 at 00:41

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ctrlaltdelete (chris) wrote:

So I have to go through prs to get anything.theres the mcps too.I was talkin again to my friend from the label and he was saying because no pen had been put to paper, and they dont have a drummer for live shows he wont want to put the record out, and its doubtful anyone else will.What a bunch of dumb bastards.I went out last night and everyones saying the same, its kind of funny in a way.

Posted on Thu, 24 March 2005 at 12:27

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Divers (Simon) wrote:

For playing on the record the label will pay you for each copy sold as you are part of the band on that album so sales money will come through them once and expensies have been paid off.
For things like writing credits and getting money from the cd’s getting made you have to join PRS and straight away joins you to MCPS which are the same thing to an extent and it costs 100 pounds and they pay out twice a year also joining a publishing company helps get money as well.

Posted on Sat, 26 March 2005 at 04:00

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deadsetgav wrote:

I noticed a review in Kerrang this week - is that your old band?

Posted on Thu, 19 January 2006 at 21:13

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ctrlaltdelete (chris) wrote:

yup thats them… they get a two line mention in rocksound too…If you have any common sense dont go near the cd.They had to drop some of the songs cos the new guy couldnt do the beats (teethgrinder style double snare, hahaha, and they hated T? too how ironic).Also that guy left the band 2months after they recorded for the same reasons i did… the too many egos…

Posted on Fri, 20 January 2006 at 20:40

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deadsetgav wrote:

Hows the new one going?

Posted on Mon, 23 January 2006 at 07:17

#12

Ronald wrote:

yes, are you in a new band now? you have chosen the right nickname in a weird way,I mean, CTRL+ALT+DElETE is a sort of a restart:)

Posted on Mon, 23 January 2006 at 13:16

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Citizen Erased wrote:

I did Law at Uni and Divers sounds pretty on the nose to me. Citizen’s Advice might be worth contacting if you want some free legal advice - not sure, but their websote’s supposed to be pretty good so I’d try there before moving on to phoning them.

Good luck!

Posted on Tue, 24 January 2006 at 09:42

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

Title: Another legal question

If I own a record on vinyl, is it still illegal for me to download it onto my PC? I mean, I have paid for the song. Or am I still obtaining it illegally, or is it just the person who uploaded it who gets into trouble?

Or can someone send me MP3s of the Lovelace single by Beekeepers? :D

Posted on Tue, 24 January 2006 at 10:07

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Divers (Simon) wrote:

hoochalobster wrote:

If I own a record on vinyl, is it still illegal for me to download it onto my PC? I mean, I have paid for the song. Or am I still obtaining it illegally, or is it just the person who uploaded it who gets into trouble?

Or can someone send me MP3s of the Lovelace single by Beekeepers? :D

Yes it is still illegal, MP3 is now seen as a format, like cd or vinyl. So you downloading it is like stealing the cd from a shop to replace your vinyl, in the eyes of the law. The person who uploaded it would be in more trouble but you still have the potenial.

Posted on Tue, 24 January 2006 at 10:19

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Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

Apparently you’re not technically allowed to keep videos (or dvd-r’s) of things that you’ve recorded off the tv. It’s called ‘delayed viewing’. You’re allowed to record something to watch later, if for some reason you can’t watch it when it was originally on, but you can’t _keep_ the recording.

But has anyone, anywhere actually been charged with this offence??

Posted on Tue, 24 January 2006 at 10:55

#17

mr self destruct wrote:

Not sure d, but I’ve just reported your self-recorded Doctor Who collection to the coppers so we’ll soon find out! :D

Posted on Tue, 24 January 2006 at 11:40

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Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

:D I’ll go down for life. :p

Posted on Tue, 24 January 2006 at 11:40

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ctrlaltdelete (chris) wrote:

the new bands going good, we are AHAB.And we are a hell of a lot louder!

I hope I never get raided by the cops, I found like 300 or so copied cds the other day that Id forgotten about.But I hadnt put any names on them so I had to sit and sift through them to see if they were worth keeping… man that was a hard day at work,,,,( hahahha)

Posted on Thu, 26 January 2006 at 13:26

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