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Started by gapu

hi’ya!

so as you may know i am a drummer. you probably dont but, HEY i’ll forgive you!

no, what i’d like to ask is..

“what is the fucking best way, to tune a drumkit?”

actually i have a lot of experiences about tuning a drumkit. but i never really was satisfied with the way it sounded… i’ve tried loads of different ways to do it…

so again… whats the best way to let a drumkit sound, dynamic, full, massive… without too much reverb. i just want a really nice sounding drumkit. wich methods are the best…?

regards

Posted on Sat, 26 November 2005 at 17:17

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#1

buffalo-boy wrote:

“And you little boy… what do you want to be when you grow up?” asks the teacher to young Tommy in class one day.
“A drummer!” the little boy replies.
The teacher frowns, ” Well you can’t do both!”

Only jokin’, i love drummers really!

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 08:57

#2

Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

:D

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 18:37

#3

gapu wrote:

actually…

this isnt funny… you’re laughin and i am dying… but not die laughin.. A HA… (drumroll)

i am glad i did mamange to make the snare sound really cool.. but still not exactly the way i want it.. come on, dont be that shy!

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 18:43

#4

Fordonian wrote:

Your guess is as good as mine for tuning. I just messed about til I found something I was happy with. I’ll bore you if you want…

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 21:49

#5

buffalo-boy wrote:

[quote=gapu]actually…

this isnt funny… you’re laughin and i am dying… but not die laughin.. A HA… (drumroll)

Don’t die, there’s a terrible shortage of good drummers in the World ( i should know i play bass in enough bands!). Not that i’m saying your good, you might be crap!
Fancy a jam sometime?!

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 08:35

#6

gapu wrote:

dont worry, i wont die
its just a nightmare if you try so hard to have really nice sounding drumkit…

but thanks anyway, you’re right saying theres a shortage of good drummers. but without boasting, i would say i am on my way to become a stardrummer ;)
no serious, i think i am really good, still i am making failures sometimes, but with a lot practising…
i think i have a short drumvideo of mine somewhere over the net, if you’re interessted.. i have to look where i have it.. maybe on my gmx server???

having a little jam session? i really wouldnt mind! we still need a bass player…

@heysatan: you can bore me, but just if your tips are really usefull and pretty short. i hate reading 100 pages and afterwards it all wasnt worth it… i already did that a few times

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 12:57

#7

buffalo-boy wrote:

Cool.

I met a drummer once who said she wasn’t very good but played like she meant it, which is good. I think she must have meant to be crap though! I’m gettin cold sweats now!

Where do you live buddy? I suppose i could drive to whrever you are.

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 13:22

#8

gapu wrote:

hehe…
its does happen often that someone says he/she isnt good, but they often say that just because they do underrate themselves…
i remember the first few months playing the drums.. it was incredible shite and incredible loud but it was fun… and that is what its all about, no? you can just give up, because it seems like it does take a bit longer than expected…
2-3 years before i bought my first drumkit i used to play with pecils and ball-points.. hehe that was fun. I turned the hi-fi on and played with my “sticks” on pillows and sketch blocks!

i am here in austria dude, on the border to hungary… its kinda fucked up region for bands to grow up.. but we all have to learn a lot more to get on the next level… and we are all still in school, which steals time and my brother is in england right now.. studying.. ahhh we’re on ice! not really cause we’ve done some instrumental demo tapes lately, but they need lyrics… i write some but it does take pretty long to write a good one…

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 14:55

#9

buffalo-boy wrote:

well, i won’t be driving over there then!

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 15:18

#10

gapu wrote:

i thougt so…
still its great just taling about it :)

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 15:22

#11

Fordonian wrote:

gapu wrote:

@heysatan: you can bore me, but just if your tips are really usefull and pretty short. i hate reading 100 pages and afterwards it all wasnt worth it… i already did that a few times

Not all mine I hope! ;)

Short ‘n’ sweet version;
Clear Remo ambassadors for all tom skins.
10”
Batter - Tight, but not pulling-the-shell-in-on-itself tight
Resonant - Medium keeps lots of the tone to balance off the high “pop” of the batter
12” Both - Medium, works with the natural tone of the drum and decent gap pitch wise down from the 10”
14” Batter - Just slightly more than finger tight on the lugs - deep and booming as fuck for double stops and the like.
Resonant - Just under medium, keeps it from getting sloppy with the batter being down so low.

Snare - both tight to get the crack out of it.
Emperor pinstripe top and ambassador bottom

Basses - all medium tension
Powerstroke 3s for the batter, not sure on the resonants but I’m looking at changing them soon, the holes are abit too big and don’t hold enough resonance for my liking anymore.

Short enough? :D

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 22:10

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sonofjaguare wrote:

The school of thought is to find a tone that you like or what resonates the best with the shell and tune both heads to the same pich(or as close as possible)except for the snare,bottom head should be a little tighter.now when tuning you go from one lug and then cross to the opposite and try and get the tone at each lug the same as the other.Do this with every drum and after playing go around the lugs again and tune and balance.

How long have you had the heads on the kicks?If not long it could be a tuning issue.Are the kicks wide open or do you have anything in them to dampen?If you think that your heads are worn out and you want more resonance,don’t cut a hole in the new one.You will get kick back from the air not being able to escape but you’ll get used to it and you will also get a fuller tone.If you change the batter may I recommend the Aquarian Superkick 2 or 3.I can’t remember which one i use but they are great heads.

Here are my specs
12”tom and 14” floor tom-Evans G1 coated medium to loose tension and bottoms are DW factory medium to loose
10” and 13” snares-Evans G1 coated medium to tight batters and DW factory on bottoms,tension same as tops
20”kick-Aquarian Superkick 2 or 3 coated medium loose tension with DW pillow and white coated DW logo head on front probably a little tighter than batter.
All drums and hardware DW(dropping names here):p

Let me know if you have any other questions,I love talking drums!

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 02:22

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Fordonian wrote:

sonofjaguare wrote:

How long have you had the heads on the kicks?If not long it could be a tuning issue.Are the kicks wide open or do you have anything in them to dampen?If you think that your heads are worn out and you want more resonance,don’t cut a hole in the new one.You will get kick back from the air not being able to escape but you’ll get used to it and you will also get a fuller tone.If you change the batter may I recommend the Aquarian Superkick 2 or 3.I can’t remember which one i use but they are great heads.

I’ve got the huge holed things on at the min - Ulrich style looking things. I got the second bass well after the first and ordered a new skin to match the first one on the day I picked it up. They got the wrong one in :rolleyes: but a gig on the same night meant I took it and matched them - vain I know - but to the second one. Don’t get me wrong, they sound mint as they are, tonnes of attack and a fair amount of resonance to it, but I’d just like them both to sound like the first one did with the first resonant on it - huuuuuuuuuuuuuge! I have them wide open as well but thats just because I think it suits the oak. :D

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 21:29

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gapu wrote:

i’ll have to try that… but today i didnt get the chance to…

thank you both for the tips

i tuned the snare just like you described it.. and i think its great, it just gabbles a bit.. but very low

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 21:44

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Fordonian wrote:

Sorry, I missed out a bit on the snare - I do have a dampening ring round the top to reduce the overtones a little, could help the gabbling maybe?

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 21:57

#16

gapu wrote:

it probalby does..
i made this ring for my old drumset (snare) as well.. its the best method you could imagine. it really helps

did you make one yourself or did you cut one from the fur?

i once did make some of paper but i think their weight was to lightly..

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 22:15

#17

sonofjaguare wrote:

gapu wrote:

i’ll have to try that… but today i didnt get the chance to…

thank you both for the tips

i tuned the snare just like you described it.. and i think its great, it just gabbles a bit.. but very low

Not sure what “gabbles”means but if you are looking to dampen your snare head so it doesn’t ring Evans make a head called an Evans Dry.It has tiny little holes all around it and it’s dry.I LOVE lot’s of ring from my snare that’s why I use 1 ply coated,gives you that Jimmy Chamberlain sound.I play in a jazz funk band here in Atlanta so I like to get all sorts of different sounds of my snares.Snare and ride cymbals are the personality of the kit.Check out some stuff from us http://www.myspace.com/cadillacjones and listen to the first song Tarzan.Give you an idea of my sound.

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 23:30

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Tubthumper (Scott) wrote:

My snare is tight on both ends of the drum.

I’ve got an O-ring on there to stop the overtones.
I take it off when I’m playing something off of St. Anger though.

Posted on Thu, 1 December 2005 at 10:12

#19

Fordonian wrote:

gapu wrote:

it probalby does..
i made this ring for my old drumset (snare) as well.. its the best method you could imagine. it really helps

did you make one yourself or did you cut one from the fur?

i once did make some of paper but i think their weight was to lightly..

Mine came with the snare when I bought it, its pretty much the same material as the skin and sits nicely most of the time - the odd bad hit has taken it off a few times though, especially live!

@ Tubthumper - good man on the Anger bit ;)

Posted on Fri, 2 December 2005 at 19:25

#20

gapu wrote:

does anyone know, how to make a control ring (dämpfungsring) yourself? i mean one thats really usefull… which material should i use…

Posted on Tue, 6 December 2005 at 15:55

#21

Tubthumper (Scott) wrote:

Mines made out of thin plastic.

You could try cutting a circle of card out. That might work.

I’m not saying it will but you could try.

And I mean like paper/card, not like what boxes are made out of.

Posted on Wed, 7 December 2005 at 13:11

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gapu wrote:

i’ll try that

it’d probably would be better to buy them… but around my region theres just nothing… and i dont want to order them now because the transport costs 8 €… for that price i’d get more control rings.. i would have to wait for someone so we could order together…

so i thought i could make one myself

Posted on Wed, 7 December 2005 at 13:23

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