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Started by matthew

First of all I don’t know why Lars is bagged on all the time because I still believe he is one of the greatest drummers I have ever come across in metal. Let me explain, drummers don’thave to show off chops, unless their in fucking slayer of course. But haven’t people ever thought that chops are only one part of what makes a good drummer. I’ve always thought that one of the most important things for a fdrummer to be able to do is to play to the music. Imagine hearing a drumming that is not enhancing the music with carefully placed notes that make the music actually sound better! I have seen a video of Vinnie Paul playing the drums for Metallica one time and it was’nt spectacular even though some would think so. Crazy 32nd notes thrown all over the place don’t always equate to great drummer. One needs a drummer that rocks the music and fits in beautifully. Vinnie Paul screwed up sad but true and proved that Lars Ulrich is a genius at placing notes where they are begged for and leaving spaces where there needs to be room to breathe. Take the Black album, listen to nothing else matters and then tell me he ain’t a good drummer. I’ve played nothing else matters with my mates and I swear to God if you don’t play it just like Lars plays it, it doesn’t sound great. I believe that lars can pull of most of the Slayer stuff, he just does’nt even need to, I mean if one seriously needs to hear fast double bass which everybody seems to love these days, then check out the song ST Anger that’s pretty fucking fast.

I know I’m gonna take flak for this but a perfect example of a drummer that plays as many notes as possible and isn’t really too interested in making the music sound good is Neil (current drummer for therapy?). He plays all those notes, he’s throwing in as many triple ratamacues as possible and it means absolutely nothing. Whereas Graham hHopkins knew when to throw somethng in that would make the music flow beautifully and produce power!

I still dig Metallica, I actually haven’t heard much of St Anger yet but I believe that a band sells out when it does something to please other people other than the band. Almost to fit in.
I don’t think Load a Reload were about pleasing other people, if anything they broke down boundaries and tested the metal crowd quite a bit. Metallica took a big risk with those records and I’m still amazed at easy Kirk and James moved over so smoothly into a blues based feel.

Okay I’m tired now, you’re turn. Sorry about some of the spelling, I really don’t give a shit.

Posted on Sat, 26 November 2005 at 18:45

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Tubthumper (Scott) wrote:

As a drummer myself, I think Neil is the best drummer that Therapy? have had. He’s like a human dynamo, and I think his style is brilliant in terms of the music it’s being played to.

Back on topic though. I think Lars is a good drummer, I like his style of keeping cymbal hits out of time, and his ability to place fills in the right places.

Slayer drumming isn’t hard to be honest with you. It may sound immense, but all it really is is fast drumming, with toms thrown in here and there. Not rocket science. Don’t get me wrong, I dig Dave Lombardo, he’s a brilliant drummer too.

As for their diversification into Load, Reload and St Anger, I think they have made good records out of those, no matter what anyone else says. Firstly and most importantly, a band makes music for itself, they don’t need approval from anyone, apart from themselves.

I first heard snippets of St.Anger on the SKOM documentary, and I went out a bought it. What I heard was great, and I couldn’t understand why people felt it was so crap. Everyone goes on about the snare being too pingy, but to me, it sound perfect to the music it is being hit to.

/End of 2 pence.

Posted on Sun, 27 November 2005 at 14:28

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Beth wrote:

Metllica are ace.

I know nothing about drumming.

Rush rule :D

Posted on Sun, 27 November 2005 at 19:56

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Tubthumper (Scott) wrote:

Yep, Rush are very cool.

Neil Peart is also an amazing drummer. He’s one of my top 5 definetly.

Posted on Sun, 27 November 2005 at 21:27

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30seconds wrote:

john bonham best drummer of all time, no contest!

Posted on Sun, 27 November 2005 at 21:29

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matthew wrote:

Tubthumper: the man, the legend. Thanks for yuor post bro I was beginning to think that everybody in the world thought that Lars was a bad drummer. You made my night!
Yes, it’s true Metallica make music for themselves and I live for artists that fuc,mking do that. They are at least honest compared to bullshit manufactured crap like Britney Spears and Taproot. Hey, I think I’ll start a new thread on Taproot!
Keep drumming, and by the way Dave Lombardo I think is not as good as Paul Bostaph! Technically that is. And by the way Neil sucks compared to Graham he was the best drummer therapy ever had.

Posted on Sun, 27 November 2005 at 21:46

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viking_pooh wrote:

I’m not a fan of lars, He’s too sloppy with no subtlety and is very inconsistent, i’ve spent many hours wiht my mate rob listening to live tracks where his drumming varies soo much on the same song as if he can’t actually play it the way it’s meant to be, and no one needs a kit that big except for their ego, more drums more thing to go wrong or fuck up.

there’s so many drummer who could do it better than him by bringing thier own sublety. Lars ruin nohting else matters cos he comes crashing in far too loud for where he joins the song, and he’a complete cock.

But hey i’m a singer and guiatrist so what do i know about drums, except lars is pretty damn average. He can play, but not that well.

although, he does sound better on the later albums where he’s not trying to be so metal and fast. and i don;t care what anyone says, i fucking love the snare on st Anger, it doesn;t work for the whole album but it give Frantic and St Anger a “Don’t fuck wiht me or ill rip your legs off through your nose” edge to it.

Posted on Sun, 27 November 2005 at 22:54

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Tubthumper (Scott) wrote:

That’s the thing with drumming though. You CAN make up stuff differently to how you first recorded it.

You CAN change stuff throughout songs.

It doesn’t make you a crap drummer.

Posted on Sun, 27 November 2005 at 23:37

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deadsetgav wrote:

matthew wrote:

I actually haven’t heard much of St Anger yet

This quote alone renders your argument invalid :D

I love Metallica, they have been my fav band for 15 years or so - but Lars, bless his cotton socks, is a knob.

“The metro-gnome” is an average drummer :D

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 07:26

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buffalo-boy wrote:

I think lars is a better business man than a drummer but whats wrong with that? He got Metallica where they are now so he’s a dude.

As for his drumming i think he’s really inventive on ‘For Whom The Bell Tolls and ‘Don’t tread On Me’ but a bit wooden on St Anger.

Who thinks Graham is better than Neil?! You are wrong with a capital ‘R’ sir!!! Graham’s drumming is crap and ploddy, it sounds like ‘typical’ rock drumming but he was only young so i’ll let him off. Fyfe and Neil especially are awesome!! Really inventive in a Stewart Copeland kind of way but never over the top and that snare sound is awesome!

Check out Last Blast!

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 09:10

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fatboy wrote:

I still think Metallica are a good band, but always liked the albums that had the late Cliff Burton on them. If a time machine was ever invented, I’d go back to the time they played St David’s Hall in Cardiff, just to see them with the late bass master.

He ruled and agree that they weren’t the same band after he died.

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 11:41

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Divers (Simon) wrote:

Metaliica=Great
Lars=C*nt

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 12:11

#12

Dennis wrote:

Divers wrote:

Metaliica=Great
Lars=C*nt

Above post = spot on

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 12:30

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buffalo-boy wrote:

fatboy wrote:

I still think Metallica are a good band, but always liked the albums that had the late Cliff Burton on them. If a time machine was ever invented, I’d go back to the time they played St David’s Hall in Cardiff, just to see them with the late bass master.

He ruled and agree that they weren’t the same band after he died.

Yeah, jason was cool but his basslines were completely lame!

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 15:52

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Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

I think lars is a better business man than a drummer but whats wrong with that?

Well… He’s the drummer. :D

‘Nurse, tell it to me straight: I’ll be in safe hand during this operation, won’t I?’
‘Well, to be honest I think Dr Ulrich is a better accountant than a surgeon, but what’s wrong with that?’

;)

@Gav: ‘Metro-gnome’ Love it! :D

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 18:34

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RobbyVDH wrote:

I love Metallica even though Lars is a dick.

But as I have no intention at all to marry him, who gives a fuck?

Chances are almost 0 that I will ever meet him… damn’ Roxy I could still cry when I think of it that you met all 4 :(

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 19:06

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Alan wrote:

Drummer who deliberately plays completely out of time, but sounds superb = Matt from Soundgarden, now of Pearl Jam.

As for Lars playing the same song differently every time, I think Fyfe fell into this bracket too. Years ago I used to think that this was a sign of a great drummer. Now though, I’m not too sure. It seems to me that these songs don’t have a definitive drumming pattern (ie. you can’t count the beats), and as a result, the songs are very open to interpretation every time they are played. Is this good or bad? Who knows.

Graham was the opposite to this - every song he played on was clinically structered. Hardly surprising, since he was a formally trained Jazz drummer. Fyfe on the other hand, was self-thought and seemed more random. Is Graham better than Fyfe or vice-versa? Who knows.

Getting back to Metallica, why does James Hetfield say such cringe-inducing, corny drivel when on stage? Who knows :)

“Are you with us, Dublin? Hell yeahhh. Are you with us or against us, Dublin? Ooooooh! Hell yeeeeah!” …etc…

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 19:24

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Fordonian wrote:

Am I the only one who can’t hear left from right on a record? I mean I am half deaf but…

Really though, its all a load of subjective bollocks isn’t it? :D

Posted on Mon, 28 November 2005 at 21:39

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deadsetgav wrote:

Heysatan wrote:

Really though, its all a load of subjective bollocks isn’t it? :D

Left bollock or right bollock? :D

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 07:19

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buffalo-boy wrote:

Alan wrote:

Getting back to Metallica, why does James Hetfield say such cringe-inducing, corny drivel when on stage? Who knows :)

“Are you with us, Dublin? Hell yeahhh. Are you with us or against us, Dublin? Ooooooh! Hell yeeeeah!” …etc…

Yes,it is a bit but i bet it got the crowd screaming back at him didn’t it? Which is what its all about, agree? Oh and the music of course! Though i must admit it was really cheesy last year at Download when they didn’t have lars and to make up for a short, poor set James kept saying “Metallica loves you baby!”

er…!

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 08:43

#20

Alan wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

“Metallica loves you baby!”

er…!

Classic :)

True, maybe about half the crowd roared their approval, but the other half just looked on while awkwardly shuffling their feet. Probably.

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 09:19

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Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

Heysatan wrote:

Am I the only one who can’t hear left from right on a record?

No, there are loads more drummers out there. :p

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 10:17

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deadsetgav wrote:

Misanthropologist wrote:

No, there are loads more drummers out there. :p

Ooooh - handbags :D

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 10:37

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Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

:D

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 10:40

#24

coza wrote:

no one has come close to john bonham he is still king.as for modern era foo fighters drummer

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 11:12

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Dennis wrote:

matthew wrote:

I don’t think Load a Reload were about pleasing other people, if anything they broke down boundaries and tested the metal crowd quite a bit. Metallica took a big risk with those records and I’m still amazed at easy Kirk and James moved over so smoothly into a blues based feel.

I agree that Load and Reload had some great songs on them.

For me, they are Metallica’s “Rock” albums, where the rest of their work has been “Metal”.

I like them, and I maintain that it wasn’t Metallica who significantly changed at that time, it was fashion.

Metal became considered cheesey and even Metallica, and Maiden were thought dead in the water.

Of course, time has shown that these things go around in circles and they are yet again two of the biggest bands in music right now…whatever u think of them personally.

I think if you go back to the Load LPs you’ll see how they are much more Metallica-ish than the eye-liner and (gasp) short hair may have suggested at the time.

Still, Lars is wank and Dave Lombardo and Joey Slipknot blew him away at Download

To compare Lars to these masters in their field (literally at Download…sorry, I am currently getting my coat as we speak…:D) is a joke, in my book. Sorry!

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 12:23

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buffalo-boy wrote:

Yeah i agree but the thing I enjoy about some of my less talented favourites like Lars, Nicky from the Manics etc is that they LOVE music and especially the SPIRIT of what rock is supposed to be about. Thats as important i think. Lets face it, old Cairnsy isnt a GREAT guitarist but he LOVES music and cant live without it. Same with me, i have an HND in bass playing but when it comes down to it i just plug in my cheap piece of crap and just play LOUD cos it FEELS GOOD!!
Look at the new’punk’ bands in the charts. They are good musos but they MEAN absolutely nothing at all!

Lets plug in and Rock people!

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 13:16

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Dennis wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

Yeah i agree but the thing I enjoy about some of my less talented favourites like Lars, Nicky from the Manics etc is that they LOVE music and especially the SPIRIT of what rock is supposed to be about. Thats as important i think. Lets face it, old Cairnsy isnt a GREAT guitarist but he LOVES music and cant live without it. Same with me, i have an HND in bass playing but when it comes down to it i just plug in my cheap piece of crap and just play LOUD cos it FEELS GOOD!!
Look at the new’punk’ bands in the charts. They are good musos but they MEAN absolutely nothing at all!

Lets plug in and Rock people!

Difference is Nicky Wire, despite hi sprotestations to the contrary, isn’t a bad bassist. Or to put it another way, what he does works within that context.

Lars, however, overplays and does spoil things.

But yeah, I appreciate that musical talent and just being a goddamned STAR are not the same thing.

For me, Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols is a real guitar hero, but he’ll never get accepted as a musician as much as he should

Posted on Tue, 29 November 2005 at 17:14

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buffalo-boy wrote:

Yeah Wire did eventually get his act together on the fourth album!

Anmyway back to the Metallica debate: Why do they only play stuff from the 80’s/early 90’s live?!? The Load stuff had good songs (Fuel, Cure, King Nothing, Prince Charming etc) and so did St Anger (Shoot me Again, Purify, Dirty Window). I’m bored of going to see them live and hearing all the ‘classics’ to be honest! Shake it up!

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 08:26

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deadsetgav wrote:

I’ve said the same a few times about Metallica.

I really dont think it is necessary to hear One, Nothing Else Matters, Fade to Black, Sad But True, Wherever I May Roam, ect every single time they play.

They have a massive back catalogue - They should chuck stuff like Dyers Eve, Blackened, Damage Inc, Bleeding Me, Wasting My Hate, Carpe Diem Baby, Prince Charming, Unnamed Feeling… anything of Garage Inc.

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 08:57

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buffalo-boy wrote:

I have seen them do Bleeding Me once and Die die My Darling at Big Day Out. At the risk of being lynched by Metallica fans i have to say the black album has outstayed its welcome in the live set. The album itself sounds overproduced and boring and the songs sound like ‘rock anthems’ as opposed to metal monsters these days. Still, i’d love to see My Friend Of Misery and Through The Never live.

Posted on Wed, 30 November 2005 at 09:55

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