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Started by 30seconds in Other Bands & Artists

I’m asking everyone here including bad karma (who I believe is a manics fan).
I’ve already heard quite a few songs by them but never got around to getting any of their albums, there is so many to choose from. I’m already getting the holy bible, but what next? The greatest hits?

Any help would be aprreciated!

Posted on Fri, 2 December 2005 at 21:44

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mr self destruct wrote:

Greatest Hits and then decide which period Manics you like seems the obvious answer.

Personally I’d go for Generation Terrorists, when they were still young and exciting and playing G ‘n’ R-influenced rock but with straight-to-the-point political lyrics. And dressing up like big girls :D

Posted on Fri, 2 December 2005 at 22:39

#2

Dermot (The Derm) wrote:

After the Holy Bible I’d go for the US Remix ;)

Nah, my personal favourite after that would be Gold Against The Soul, but like Mr SD says, it’s up to you really.

Posted on Sat, 3 December 2005 at 08:54

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realityfuck (Richard Splash) wrote:

The Manics have produced some great singles, so the greatest hits album would be a good start. Most people (myself included) seem to list The Holy Bible as their favourite album, although Generation Terrorists is a close second for me. I’ve not heard Gold Against the Soul (shame on me), but as it came out between the two aforementioned albums, I’d imagine it’s good.

Posted on Sun, 4 December 2005 at 00:05

#4

romy wrote:

well, the holy bible is a must, and after that, i would go for everything must go!

Posted on Sun, 4 December 2005 at 01:16

#5

Bad Karma wrote:

The Manics are the most frustrating band in the world when they’re on form they’re brilliant but they’re also very lazy,complacent and content to be an MOR band.I’d go for The Holy Bible first,you can all their albums cheap now for under a fiver.

Posted on Sun, 4 December 2005 at 12:17

#6

Citizen Erased wrote:

They do vary from the sublime to the ridiculous quite dramtically - a lot of their stuff is very dull. I quite like most of the best of though, but haven’t really heard anything more recent.

Posted on Sun, 4 December 2005 at 13:34

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Isness wrote:

Everything Must Go if you fancy something on the slightly lighter, poppier route, but without and of the ‘dull’/MOR labels that some people throw at the later stuff.
Generation Terrorists I can’t stand, but it seems to be popular among a lot of fans. Guns’n’Roses meets The Clash, make of that what you will.
The other four albums involve taking a risk. You might love or hate ‘em. It seems to be quite random, really.

Posted on Sun, 4 December 2005 at 14:13

#8

Divers (Simon) wrote:

I enjoyed, holy bible and everything must go and then Know your enemy. but as sam said they change almost every album so choose a period.

Posted on Sun, 4 December 2005 at 14:19

#9

buffalo-boy wrote:

They’re all varied and deserve a listen - dont buy them, burn them, I suggest the following tracks from the albums:

Gen Ter: Motorcycle Emptiness, Stay Beautiful, Born To End

Gold Against… : Sleepflower, From Despair.., La Tristesse Durera.

Holy Bible: Yes, Faster, This is Yesterday, PCP

Everything..,: Design 4 Life, Enola/Alone, All Surface No Feeling

This Is My Truth: Tolerate, Tsunami, Ready For drowning

Know Your Enemy: Dead Martyrs, Watsville Blues

Lifeblood: 1985, I Live to Fall Asleep, Glasnost

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 10:34

#10

Isness wrote:

In typical Manics fashion, I’d barely choose any of those songs. ;)

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 11:36

#11

fatboy wrote:

The only album of their’s worth owning is the Holy Bible - they were normal after Richey went AWOL.

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 12:49

#12

mr self destruct wrote:

fatboy wrote:

The only album of their’s worth owning is the Holy Bible - they were normal after Richey went AWOL.

Richey Edwards’ influence is fucking overrated - all he did was write 2/3 of the lyrics! The music is the main reason for the greatness of THB.

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 12:58

#13

buffalo-boy wrote:

The Manics themselves said THB was their most definitive period. And you should never underestimate the power of a good lyric - its what the man in the street identifies with. Rock hasn’t yet had its one true poet (anyone that thinks Dylan is amazing can fuck off). Richey was closer than most.

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 15:23

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Dennis wrote:

Avoid This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours, whatever you do.

Holy Bible is their definitive work, every home should have a copy of this album, no question.

Generation Terrorist has some great stuff but also some terrible tracks. Captures them at their early stages very well.

Gold Against the Soul is dismissed often as overpolished, but is far from being a Coldplay album. An underrated gem, I would argue.

Everything Must Go - Good, solid but beginning to shows signs of AOR rot setting in.

Know Your Enenmy. Patchy, underrated, great in places but very two-sided, as the rough and ready lo-fi tracks come side-to-side with cringe-worthy dross.

Lifeblood - Futuristic sounding in places, cold but not as bad as some would have you believe. Far from classic, mind.

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 15:34

#15

buffalo-boy wrote:

Gold Against the Soul is definately underated! I don’t get why its been slagged so much for being too polished! Its hardly a Bon Jovi album!

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 15:53

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Taunty Dan wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

The Manics themselves said THB was their most definitive period. And you should never underestimate the power of a good lyric - its what the man in the street identifies with. Rock hasn’t yet had its one true poet (anyone that thinks Dylan is amazing can fuck off). Richey was closer than most.

Buffalo boy, shame on you! Have you even read any Dylan lyrics? You can’t compare the 2 really, its like comparing a car to a lump of cheese!! Richey wrote great lyrics for sure, theres no debating that, but yer man Dylan is on another planet. Do yourself a favor and read the lyrics to “desolation row”. Open your mind, B!

Back to the original topic, I wouldn’t bother with anything other than the holy bible, you aint missing much.

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 16:22

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MarkoJii (Ukko Perkele) wrote:

I think that Holy Bible is overrated. However the 10th anniversary as “package” is great and absolutely astonishing! But get Generation Terrorists and Everything Must Go.

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 18:36

#18

30seconds wrote:

I’m going to buy generation terroroists and lifeblood :I know, but I love empty souls, its a classic song in my eyes, and lifeblood is £3 on amazon! http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0003V16WM/qid=113381560 … 23-7471007
And then after, I might get ‘everything must go’. I won’t even bother with ‘This is my truth…’ as Ive got If you tolerate this… on mp3

The holy bible is indeed a classic, ifwhiteamericatoldthetruth… is the best song on that album in my opinion! I like the slower side and the darker side of the manics, both are excellent!

Posted on Mon, 5 December 2005 at 20:51

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buffalo-boy wrote:

[quote=Taunty Dan]Buffalo boy, shame on you! Have you even read any Dylan lyrics? You can’t compare the 2 really, its like comparing a car to a lump of cheese!! Richey wrote great lyrics for sure, theres no debating that, but yer man Dylan is on another planet. Do yourself a favor and read the lyrics to “desolation row”. Open your mind, B!

I don’t mind a healthy argument but please don’t tell me to open my mind - thats ridiculous! Why don’t you open your mind to the other Manics albums in that case!

Posted on Tue, 6 December 2005 at 08:50

#20

Isness wrote:

To be fair, you’re saying probably the most respected and influential lyricist of all time is shit, so you have to expect some sort of reaction…

Posted on Tue, 6 December 2005 at 12:55

#21

buffalo-boy wrote:

Its all a matter of opinion. I’m not going to like him because everyone else does. Sorry, but his words don’t speak out to me on that level. And just to be controversial, i’m not a big fan of Hendrix or Nirvana either. SHOCK, HORROR!

Posted on Tue, 6 December 2005 at 14:38

#22

Charlie wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

Its all a matter of opinion. I’m not going to like him because everyone else does. Sorry, but his words don’t speak out to me on that level. And just to be controversial, i’m not a big fan of Hendrix or Nirvana either. SHOCK, HORROR!

Nor me, I hate all that ” oh, they’re highly respected so

therefore, you HAVE to like them ” bullshit.

No I don’t !!!

I could say Led Zeppelin are shit if i want to !!

but led zeppelin are great tho :D

Posted on Tue, 6 December 2005 at 14:47

#23

Isness wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

Its all a matter of opinion. I’m not going to like him because everyone else does. Sorry, but his words don’t speak out to me on that level. And just to be controversial, i’m not a big fan of Hendrix or Nirvana either. SHOCK, HORROR!

Sigh.
Please re-read my post. I never said you had to like Dylan. I never mentioned like or dislike at all. I simply pointed out that if you say “if you say he’s amazing you can fuck off” is narrow minded, especially when you’re talking about someone so respected and influential.
Dylan’s lyrics don’t speak to you, personally, therefore anyone they do speak to can fuck off? Which part of that isn’t narrow minded?

Posted on Tue, 6 December 2005 at 21:11

#24

buffalo-boy wrote:

blah blah blah. I don’t like Dylan so there. End.

You think you’re more open minded than me. You are, ok? If it makes you happy. Congratulations.

Whats happening with the Manics? They haven’t done anything since the charity album.
Does anyone know what chart position …Richard Nixon got to? I know it was bad, just wondered exactly where it got!?

Posted on Wed, 7 December 2005 at 08:41

#25

Taunty Dan wrote:

[quote=buffalo-boy][quote=Taunty Dan]I don’t mind a healthy argument but please don’t tell me to open my mind - thats ridiculous! Why don’t you open your mind to the other Manics albums in that case![/quote]

i have them all, they’re just not very good! A case of sounding dated for the most part i think. Only holy bible retains its impact because its peerless.

Posted on Wed, 7 December 2005 at 15:48

#26

Bad Karma wrote:

The Holy Bible is the Manics most consistant album,the Richey era stuff and Everything Must Go tend to be the most popular with fans.Every album sounds different so you might not like all their stuff.Know Your Enemy is generally regarded as their worst moment and Lifeblood well it met mostly indifference.This Is My Truth is the Manics biggest seller but it’s not really that popular.There’s some good stuff on it but quite a bit of bland filler as well.

Here’s a link that has Richeys last gig.

http://www.richeyedwards.net/astoria/astoria.html

Posted on Thu, 8 December 2005 at 00:04

#27

buffalo-boy wrote:

I was a huge Manics fan when Bible came out, one thing i can agree with Taunty on is that is easily their best work!
They always wanted to be vital, and thats their only album that is! Though EMG is very good too apart from the lame indie guitar sound!

Posted on Thu, 8 December 2005 at 11:28

#28

Taunty Dan wrote:

Yeah, EMG is good in its own right, but as a follow up to holy bibble it doesn’t quite cut it. The question is what would the follow up to holy bibble have been like if richie was still with them? Hmmm…

Posted on Thu, 8 December 2005 at 12:58

#29

Isness wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

blah blah blah. I don’t like Dylan so there. End.

You think you’re more open minded than me. You are, ok? If it makes you happy. Congratulations.

Ahaha. Calm down man.
Just don’t tell people to fuck off if they have a different opinion to you, yeah?

The Manics wanted to do an even more electronic album than Lifeblood, but then did that awful Help track and the EP that Sony wouldn’t fund which went in the other direction. So, as ever, we don’t really know what’s going on. I think we have JDB’s solo album first.

Posted on Thu, 8 December 2005 at 14:29

#30

buffalo-boy wrote:

JDB solo album?!

ps : fuck off! haha!

Posted on Thu, 8 December 2005 at 15:43

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