Posted on Fri, 5 May 2006 at 23:43
Bnp
Zorn wrote:
Exactly, but intelligent people are voting for them. What’s gone wrong with the country? Should we have sided with Hitler in WW2 after all?
I don’t get it, I hear BNP described as ‘not racist’ but they want to ‘voluntarily repatriate’ non-whites? Does that mean my Mexican wife would be repatriated? Does that mean that non-whites born here would be ‘repatriated’? To where? Can you believe it?
Ill conceived total white trash far right extremism.
If anyone you know talks this kind of BNP bollocks (I have at least one in my family) try to educate them.
Posted on Fri, 5 May 2006 at 23:53
CS (Colin S) wrote:
Zorn wrote:
Exactly, but intelligent people are voting for them. What’s gone wrong with the country? Should we have sided with Hitler in WW2 after all?
I don’t get it, I hear BNP described as ‘not racist’ but they want to ‘voluntarily repatriate’ non-whites? Does that mean my Mexican wife would be repatriated? Does that mean that non-whites born here would be ‘repatriated’? To where? Can you believe it?
Ill conceived total white trash far right extremism.
If anyone you know talks this kind of BNP bollocks (I have at least one in my family) try to educate them.
I don’t think that intelligent people are voting for them. It’s just racists.
Foreigners mainly work in airports, some shops, bus drivers etc.
Our economy needs foreigners, yet the BNP is trying to drive them out. It wouldn’t be good for our economy if all foreigners were deported. Obviously, the ones who pose a threat should be deported, or sent to America for execution, but the BNP has no real political values, only racists vote for them.
And I know people that talk BNP shit, I try to educate them, but they never listen :(
Posted on Sat, 6 May 2006 at 00:00
Hanne wrote:
Unfortunately they’re targeting the few area that a lot of people feel passionately about. They’ve just had luck that people are becoming more and more disillusioned about the current state of the country, not to mention events such as 7/7; and as a result turning to the far right. People hear ‘BNP’, and they just think of the racist side; if people actually read some of the other policies, they would probably think twice. Then again, there is no accounting for closed-minded, racist bigots.
I supect most of their voters wouldn’t vote at all if they didn’t exist.
There’s nothing that can be done about them anyhow. Once you start restricting one political parties/individuals right to free speech and their views where do you stop?
Anyone going to own up to voting for them?
(I will admit I have done little better and did not vote on Thursday at all; mainly because I dislike Birmingham and don’t feel it’s my home at all, but that’s another matter)
Posted on Sat, 6 May 2006 at 00:02
CS (Colin S) wrote:
Hanne wrote:
Anyone going to own up to voting for them?
(I will admit I have done little better and did not vote on Thursday at all; mainly because I dislike Birmingham and don’t feel it’s my home at all, but that’s another matter)
Well, I can’t vote, because:
A - I’m too young
B - I live in NI
I don’t like Labour either…
Posted on Sat, 6 May 2006 at 00:04
Zorn wrote:
Hanne wrote:
Unfortunately they’re targeting the few area that a lot of people feel passionately about. They’ve just had luck that people are becoming more and more disillusioned about the current state of the country, not to mention events such as 7/7; and as a result turning to the far right. People hear ‘BNP’, and they just think of the racist side; if people actually read some of the other policies, they would probably think twice. Then again, there is no accounting for closed-minded, racist bigots.
I supect most of their voters wouldn’t vote at all if they didn’t exist.
There’s nothing that can be done about them anyhow. Once you start restricting one political parties/individuals right to free speech and their views where do you stop?
Anyone going to own up to voting for them?
(I will admit I have done little better and did not vote on Thursday at all; mainly because I dislike Birmingham and don’t feel it’s my home at all, but that’s another matter)
I disagree, there IS something that can be done, there are a lot of things, and education is one.
Please don’t tell me that you sympathise; your comment “if people actually read some of the other policies” makes me wonder.
If my assumption is right, I doubt you would get any support here. Us T? fans are artistic, thinking people. We don’t support far-right extremists. We hate them.
Am I right?
Posted on Sat, 6 May 2006 at 00:15
CS (Colin S) wrote:
Zorn wrote:
I disagree, there IS something that can be done, there are a lot of things, and education is one.
Please don’t tell me that you sympathise; your comment “if people actually read some of the other policies” makes me wonder.
If my assumption is right, I doubt you would get any support here. Us T? fans are artistic, thinking people. We don’t support far-right extremists. We hate them.
Am I right?
Yes, you are right. Now, I’m going to bed, I was watching rugby tonight (Ulster beat some Welsh team, dirty Welsh players:mad: ), and I was putting up T? posters!
I’ve been busy today.
So, goodnight, I’ll come back to this poll in the morning :)
Posted on Sat, 6 May 2006 at 00:21
Hanne wrote:
Zorn wrote:
I disagree, there IS something that can be done, there are a lot of things, and education is one.
Please don’t tell me that you sympathise; your comment “if people actually read some of the other policies” makes me wonder.
If my assumption is right, I doubt you would get any support here. Us T? fans are artistic, thinking people. We don’t support far-right extremists. We hate them.
Am I right?
No, (thought my use of “closed-minded, racist bigots” may have given that away…). Sorry I’ve re-read my post and it is unclear; way past my bedtime.
Come on, I’m a student :). By social law I have to either vote LibDem or be too lazy to vote at all…
I was merely pointing out their other policies are absolutely ridiculous, and from the supporters I have met, their only consideration for voting is the “get everyone who isn’t white out of this country, wasting our taxes, taking our jobs” malarkey. People who do vote BNP generally are those who *dont* listen at all, and will continue to have extreme right views no matter how much education is shoved in their face. The party is unlikely to die out, but their supporters will, and hopefully not be spawning other supporters.
Posted on Sat, 6 May 2006 at 00:29
Zorn wrote:
Thanks for clarifying, and I didn’t think you were a far-right individual really, but it did have me wondering.
Sorry to say the BNP won’t die out, and even if they do, there will be a party to replace them, there always is.
What I would say is that this country’s overcrowded. It doesn’t have the capacity to fit more in.
Some people confuse the two arguments.
It isn’t racist to say that ‘we must close the door’: there are too many people in this country already. And a lot of the ‘too many’ happen to be white.
—————————————————————-
SUGGESTED BNP FLYER
Tell you what, let’s start the ‘let’s deport all the people we don’t like party’.
We’ll deport all non-whites, all people with a suntan, all people that don’t support the Royal Family; all people that get up late; all people who like pizza or pasta or Indian food or Chinese food or anything else that isn’t English; in fact let’s deport absolutely everybody because the only perfect person is me.
Posted on Sat, 6 May 2006 at 01:21
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
Title: A little experiment for you.
18 quotes, all taken from general election party manifestos. 6 from the BNP, 6 from the Liberal Democrats and 6 from the Conservatives. For how many can you correctly identify the party?
“(Offer) support to victims of repression and those denied their fundamental civil rights.”
“What protects Britain’s borders is not costly ID cards for law-abiding British citizens, but a strong UK Border Force detecting illegal entry and criminal activity.”
“The ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims.”
“We will take back powers from Brussels to ensure national control of asylum policy (and) withdraw from the 1951 Geneva Convention.”
“We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming.”
“Britain’s ability to defend its interests and secure valuable freedoms has been undermined. Our Armed Forces, the vital muscle which allows us to punch above our weight, have been allowed to weaken.”
“We also will give the police the technology to spend more time on the street, and less time tied to the desk.”
“…will hack away the red tape and abolish the absurd targets set by government, and free frustrated health professionals from demoralising government meddling.”
“We will not join the Euro. By keeping the pound as our currency, control of our interest rates will continue to be set to meet the needs of the British economy.”
“As local people, we know what’s good in our own community – and what’s bad. When things go wrong, we want them put right, and to hold those in charge to account if they’re not.”
“…to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions.”
“(We) will be realistic about what Britain can, and should, take on, and British forces must always be able to deal with emergencies at home, such as terrorism or natural disasters.”
“The (government) also saw UK fishermen as expendable when negotiating entry to the Common Fisheries Policy, which left both fish stocks and fishermen hopelessly under-protected.”
“(We) will tilt the balance of the justice system in favour of the victim, and will restore control of our borders.”
“Local communities will have a greater say over planning decisions. We will also give new powers to help local councils to deal with those incidents, such as illegal traveller encampments, which breach planning laws.”
“(We) wish to extend the concept of democracy to the lowest possible level.”
“We will support initiatives, such as farmers’ markets and local food projects, that enable British customers to support Britain’s farmers.”
“We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay.”
Posted on Sat, 6 May 2006 at 08:15
Idlevice2 wrote:
Zorn wrote:
Political!
I’m amazed, shocked, and disgusted that MORE people are voting BNP.
Discuss…
?
There’s nothing that needs to be said that any half-intelligent being doesn’t already know about the BNP. It’s just proof that the human race is not dying, but is in fact already dead and simply decaying.
Posted on Sun, 7 May 2006 at 16:30
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
Colin? wrote:
None! :D
Well, that’s kinda the point. For the record, I took all of these quotes from the BNP’s manifesto:
Quote (author unknown):
“(We) wish to extend the concept of democracy to the lowest possible level.”
“(Offer) support to victims of repression and those denied their fundamental civil rights.”
“The ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims.”
“We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming.”
“We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay.”
“…to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions.”
… and that is what’s scary about the BNP. They are devious bastards and have plenty of lovely sounding policies that will appeal to a vast number of people. You can’t assume that everyone who votes BNP is racist, I doubt half of them even realise the BNP are.
Posted on Sun, 7 May 2006 at 16:34
Idlevice2 wrote:
hoochalobster wrote:
Why?
Every action has a reaction, and apart from the fact that the BNP lack the political ability to pull any good thing off, they also lack the forethought to see what would happen when they start screwing about with funding, the justice system and whatever else they can get they seedy little hands on- same goes for ANY other political movement or group.
Posted on Sun, 7 May 2006 at 17:13
Fuzzeh (Jack) wrote:
I don’t know if anyone has said anything like this but heres what I think…
If you truely were intelligent, you wouldn’t vote for anything as fucking stupid as the BNP.
I know a girl who was like “head girl” material at a catholic school, and she was supposedly “gifted”, but she had the views that all asians are *insert something here* and “stealing our jobs”.
Posted on Sun, 7 May 2006 at 17:52
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
hoochalobster wrote:
… and that is what’s scary about the BNP. They are devious bastards and have plenty of lovely sounding policies that will appeal to a vast number of people. You can’t assume that everyone who votes BNP is racist, I doubt half of them even realise the BNP are.
I think all political parties have both agendas, and manifestos. The agenda being what actually matters to them, and what they care about and want to change (or preserve) in society. The manifesto is what (they think) the voting public wants to hear.
I’m using the two terms loosely, though, obviously.
Posted on Sun, 7 May 2006 at 21:12
mrs h wrote:
*Crashes out of the GM thread with a new identity having swelled up to 15 times normal size and tripled on the beetroot factor with pure rage :mad: *
For f**ks sake!! I don’t know where to start!!
Colin? wrote:
Foreigners mainly work in airports, some shops, bus drivers etc.
Bollocks. ‘Foreigners’ (as you seem to neatly package everyone who is not a British citizen) work in all areas and all industries. Where we have a particular, major and very real problem is in the health service, where we depend on foreign workers to keep the thing ticking over and I for one am very grateful to them. I assume that you are aware of the difference between foreign workers, asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, so I won’t harp on about that.
Colin? wrote:
Obviously, the ones who pose a threat should be deported, or sent to America for execution, but the BNP has no real political values, only racists vote for them.
If you talk about sending anyone anywhere “for execution” then in my book … Well I can’t even tell you what I think about that without breaking all of the forum guidelines.
PLEASE think about what you have actually said there. In the first quote you are doing exactly what the BNP (‘Bastard Nazi Party’ as we like to call them) want you to do! Stereotyping and bundling whole groups of people together like that is just wrong.
@ Hanne - You’re absolutely right in that the BNP are just targetting people in areas of high social deprivation and low employment and convincing them that it’s something to do with ethnic minorities, precisely because those same areas tend to have higher proportions of ethnic minority people, so it’s easier for them to create dissention. And despite the fact that a great many of the ethnic minority people are, in fact, British citizens born and bred.
Any kind of ignorant fascist bollocks makes me sick to the stomach.
*climbs off soap box and wanders back to Gracious Me feeling a bit better*
Posted on Sun, 7 May 2006 at 21:54
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
Oh, now I see why you wanted out. Point well made, thank you mommy :)
Posted on Sun, 7 May 2006 at 23:16
deadsetgav wrote:
As far as I can see, the biggest recruiters for the BNP are the 3 mainstream parties… by simply being too fucking shit between them to come up with a sensible alternative.
Of all of them, the BNP were the only people going round telling people what they were gonna actually do if they got in… Labour were too preocupied saying how crap the Tories and Cameron were, and the Tories were saying “dont vote Labour cause Prescot shagged his secretary…”, Who knows what the fucking Liberals were doing… This countries politicians should be fucking ashamed.
I have no love for the BNP… football hooligans and hate-mongers… but I detest the other parties for sitting around doing nothing.
Posted on Mon, 8 May 2006 at 07:36
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