#181
sister wrote:
FNYANKEZ wrote:
The rest of Europe doesn’t help though. The US labels ignore their charts, with good reason… Hasselhoff!!
him again! i just knew he had something to do with it! :)
Posted on Mon, 23 May 2005 at 20:37
#182
motherh666 wrote:
I’ll have nothing said about the guy. He single-handedly brought down the Berlin wall and brought Democracy to communist russia.
Posted on Mon, 23 May 2005 at 20:39
#183
davefromoverthere wrote:
Bad Karma wrote:
I was just listening to NANE and maybe the lyrics to Rock You Monkeys are one of the reason why no US label will release NANE.
You’ve got to be kidding, right?
Heard much of Green Day’s “American Idiot” album? .. that wouldn’t get released or sell! oh wait, one of the biggest albums as of late.
And no way anyone’s gonna release a first single off an album by a band that’s been off the scene/charts for 5+ years, especially if it was an anti Bush administration song! .. oh woops, “Hand That Feeds” by NIN.. darn, nix that idea eh?
And to the guy who made the mention of Nickelback. Yeah, they’re crap, but there’s lots of crap being sold overseas as well.
It’s unfortunate that T? isn’t popular in the states, and I fear their sell-by date has passed (ie, people will write them off as something that wouldn’t sell).
It’s too bad. Their one stroke of success here was Troublegum. Recent disc (NANE) is decent. I still say Suicide Pact is fucking brilliant.
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 03:45
#184
Bad Karma wrote:
Nope not kidding i don’t think the lyrics to Rock You Monkeys are the sole reason why NANE hasn’t recieved a US release but maybe one factor that could be considered as to why no US label will sign them.
The differences between NIN and Green Day and T? are NIN and Green Day already have established fanbases so no matter what they release it’s going to sell a certain amount.T? don’t have much of a fanbase in the US so i don’t think any record label will take the risk with them.
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 10:51
#185
JSar666 wrote:
Yeah, BK is right.
Green Day is already a well-established act, and for all the anti-Bush sentiments, American Idiot has still got tracks like “Boulevard of Broken Dreams”.
NIN have a huge fanbase that lap up everything Trent does. Shit, some people even think the new album is good :p
(Okay, don’t let this thread go too far off track by starting a discussion of the merits of the new NIN album here. There’s a separate thread for it in the non-T? section)
In a youth-obsessed industry it’s going to be more or less impossible for Therapy? to break America at this point and especially with an album like NANE.
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 11:38
#186
deadsetgav wrote:
JSar666 wrote:
NIN have a huge fanbase that lap up everything Trent does. Shit, some people even think the new album is good :p
(Okay, don’t let this thread go too far off track by starting a discussion of the merits of the new NIN album here.
I hope you get deleted…
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 14:28
#187
JSar666 wrote:
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 16:38
#188
allroy wrote:
I didn’t tell Joe how to do it, but I like it.
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 16:48
#189
JSar666 wrote:
I hijack threads and I post emoticons. I guess that makes me your copycat :)
Carry on with the thread…
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 16:58
#190
allroy wrote:
That’s why I resigned and let the youth take over my job. 
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 17:30
#191
deadsetgav wrote:
dont forget the added naysay…
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 17:30
#192
JSar666 wrote:
I’m not a naysayer, I just have an opinion that doesn’t always happen to be the same as the grey, dull masses. 
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 18:13
#193
deadsetgav wrote:
so if asked if you were a naysayer - you would say nay?
Posted on Mon, 30 May 2005 at 19:27
#194
davefromoverthere wrote:
Bad Karma wrote:
Nope not kidding i don’t think the lyrics to Rock You Monkeys are the sole reason why NANE hasn’t recieved a US release but maybe one factor that could be considered as to why no US label will sign them.
The differences between NIN and Green Day and T? are NIN and Green Day already have established fanbases so no matter what they release it’s going to sell a certain amount.T? don’t have much of a fanbase in the US so i don’t think any record label will take the risk with them.
I’ll preface this with the fact that I’ve been doing house repairs all day, and am now rather drunk so I do apologize if I come off as an asshole.
I’ll give you that labels are more apt to allowing a “known quantity” such as NIN or Green Day to release an anti-gov tune or album than an unknown, but let’s review. The music industry has been insanely liberal forever. A label that’d be the type (ie the type to sign T?’s sort of music) to pick up Therapy would likely have a left leaning (read, anti-Bush) political stance anyhow, they wouldn’t care.
My point is, it’s silly to say that the politics behind that tune would impact T?’s ability to get signed in the states. If it did, it was reason #300 behind a bunch of other reasons.
Don’t get me wrong, the reasons are sad and pathetic ones. Reason #1: They only sold one album well in the states (troublegum). Why? That’s about the only one that had any push. Reason #2: They were later dropped. Er.. they were screwed in label mix ups. Reason #3: They’ve been around a while and not had any hits pop up and peak any interest. er.. who cares on that one?… but the fact is, this is the logic that labels go through.
Politics, they could care less. It’s very very very “in” to be anti-administration right now. Take it from someone in the States.
(and not to push it off track but.. come on, new NIN album is decent stuff!! It could be better, but at least it isn’t that over indulgent 2-disc full of crappy instrumentals like “the fragile” !!)
;)
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 02:21
#195
davefromoverthere wrote:
Title: and again
I’m not here to be an asshole and argue. The facts are this, I have had interaction w/ the music industry in various ways in the states. I work in the entertainment industry (in a very disconnected way). I am a huge fucking T? fan. Fuck, I had a website about ‘em before the teethgrinder site existed (which turned into this one), and I’m in the USA!… I’ve flown across the country for the one time I’ve gotten to see ‘em play live!
Basically, I’m stating what I’ve seen and learned about the industry. It’s sad, but I really believe it’s true. T?’s been up and down in what they’ve released, in my books, but they’re insanely better than most crap on the radio… and that’s not just in the states, but I’ve heard alot of stuff that’s popular over seas too.. it’s pretty crappy too (most of it).
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 02:26
#196
davefromoverthere wrote:
And forgive me for blathering on, but I’ll make one last point to make sure anyone reading this realizes where I’m at.
I’d love to see T? go big in America, but I don’t see it happening. It’s sad, but it’s the truth. I think T? themselves have realized this.
I am happy to see that while they’re not huge over seas, they’re huge enough to make a good living and continue to live a successful life making music that I can dig, even if it means dropping $30 USD on a disc, which is about the regular rate for their albums for me!
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 02:34
#197
MarkoJii (Ukko Perkele) wrote:
You are not being asshole David, you put your opinions in a much nicer way than some others but that is because you understand that it’s not directly T?’s fault that they don’t get the support from their record-company they supposed to in US.
And don’t forget that you were the administrator of the first and only Therapy? mailing list (Hats off to you for doing that!)…
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 05:18
#198
fatboy wrote:
Don’t worry about it. I’ve been into many bands whose albums have long since been removed from British shops, yet I’m still a fan of those bands.
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 10:32
#199
JSar666 wrote:
Most of the US T? fans I’ve met online have been cool and I can understand their frustration. Most of them know the lack of album releases and tours is down to label politics and other bullshit…
I really would like T? to be able to do a huge US tour. Hopefully the next album will be “good enough” for a US label to snap it up…
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 16:52
#200
Shade wrote:
But do they even listen to the CD? I think most labels wont even bother. Unless your bandname is rediculously misspelled and meaningless or your credentials are written in angst-ridden poetry, face it you’re just not cool.
When you’re looking at it like that, it might even make sense that Troublegum just made it in. Atleast that was a bit to the point and angsty teenager-friendly.
They just need a decent empowered label over there. I vote one of them frustrated US T? fans to rob a bank and found one.
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 18:25
#201
JSar666 wrote:
You hear that dave? :mad:
Unless you’re on your way to hatch a scheme to rob your local bank within 2 weeks, don’t even bother coming back here :p
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 18:46
#202
davefromoverthere wrote:
MarkoJii wrote:
And don’t forget that you were the administrator of the first and only Therapy? mailing list (Hats off to you for doing that!)…
Sniff, god love you Marko for remembering ;).. it’s been so long since those days..
Alex and I had discussed bringing it back with suicidepact.. but well.. yeah.
i still love that i own that domain name.
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 23:26
#203
davefromoverthere wrote:
JSar666 wrote:
Most of the US T? fans I’ve met online have been cool and I can understand their frustration. Most of them know the lack of album releases and tours is down to label politics and other bullshit…
I really would like T? to be able to do a huge US tour. Hopefully the next album will be “good enough” for a US label to snap it up…
a “huge US tour” will never happen in the forseeable future. What they need to do is this, (and mind you it’ll probably not work either)…
#1> Get connected to a festival tour. Like the Ozz-fest. They’d be the opener on the small stage, yes… but they’d open themselves to an audience. Or perhaps (though it’d more a stretch, no matter how many punk claims are made) the Warped tour. In some ways, while I’m hard pressed to call their current (if any of their) music “punk”, the Warped tour audiences might be more accepting and open to T?’s sort of music than the metalheads at Ozz-fest.
#2> Do a cheap small-club/van tour. Yep, a ford Econo-Line tour. Likely the guys, their gear, and a soundguy/roadie. Hell, if money’s a concern (and I know they’re not poor, but I’m also intelligent to know they aren’t rich.. they’re comfortable), find as many USA fans as they can in larger cities, and get their help. I live in Tampa, Florida, which as a “metro area” is fairly big. It’s an hour and a half from Orlando, obviously another decent sized city. I own a house that I could let ‘em crash in for free, and own a nic ebass and les paul I’d even loan ‘em. Fuck, if they needed it, I’d take a few days off of work and tag along to help load in + load out, and all I’d want is some merch + the ability to take photos.
I’ll admit, there’s some things they could try in the states, like the 2 suggestions above. #1 might be a little hard, but #2 is easy.. but again, they’re getting on in their lives, they have families and kids.. and if I was in their position, would I want to scrape buy for a few months living in a van in another country for *a CHANCE*?.. or would I rather do my normal decent tours, and have more time w/ my family?.. I’d pick the second choice..
Posted on Tue, 31 May 2005 at 23:33
#204
tgE wrote:
i think they’re a bit too old in he tooth for to be crashin in ur house mate! they have families now!!! but i’d LOVE to see them in new york. especially CBGBs. but that’s closed down now!
ohh the wet dreams
Posted on Wed, 1 June 2005 at 06:59
#205
JSar666 wrote:
Yeah, I guess crashing on people’s couches is a bit much at this stage. I guess that’s just the way things will have to be.
Posted on Wed, 1 June 2005 at 14:23
#206
Pip (Philip Kelly) wrote:
That Thread was like a war, North America vs Europe I’ve talked to Micheal A a couple of times not knowing what a mad start he made on the WOM and to piss the band off themselves on the Offical website not even Innocent X did that and I’ve read the archeives and that guy was an ass. But I do understand American and Worldwide T? fans frustrasion the music business and thats whats T?’s in is a very fickle business not some happy litte world where you make the music, tour the world and become stinking rich. Albums have to sell a certin amount, promoters have to be interested in you, record companies have to take risks put money on the line for album promotion and hopfully make profit as in any business and if a product isn’t selling it will get took off the selves and maybe never get put back this is what happened to T? in America.If record companies(and I’m not pointing my finger at any particular company) don’t see a any chance of making profit they won’t take the risk i.e no Album across the pond. This is longer then I ever intended it to be but thats the harsh reality facing any band that wants to go anywhere. In conclusion it’s up to us the T? fans to get up off our arses and be like mini part-time promoters if we what to see T? make new albums (Come on the end of April) and see them live anywhere.
Posted on Mon, 27 February 2006 at 19:54
#207
Gimme Back My Brainsaw (Mike Hunt) wrote:
omg i was reading this earlier today, good pip for ressurecting what i was reading but too lazy to actually post in lol.
Posted on Mon, 27 February 2006 at 21:01
#208
Michael A (Michael Ehh?) wrote:
Pip wrote:
That Thread was like a war, North America vs Europe I’ve talked to Micheal A a couple of times not knowing what a mad start he made on the WOM and to piss the band off themselves on the Offical website not even Innocent X did that and I’ve read the archeives and that guy was an ass.
Ha! It’s my ghost come back to haunt me! :D
I did make an ass out of myself with this thread, didn’t I? It’s all water under the bridge now.
I really do hope that the boys in the band hold no ill will towards me, though I wouldn’t balme them if they did. They still have a round of drinks waiting for them in Pittsburgh, PA if they ever make it stateside again.
I’m glad all the WOMbles here didn’t hold my first thread against me, you guys (and gals) are the coolest bunch of folks I’ve ever run into on the web.
Cheers,
Mike
Posted on Tue, 28 February 2006 at 02:29
#209
deadsetgav wrote:
Michael A wrote:
I’m glad all the WOMbles here didn’t hold my first thread against me, you guys (and gals) are the coolest bunch of folks I’ve ever run into on the web.
Actually - I still hold a grudge.
:D
Posted on Tue, 28 February 2006 at 10:37
#210
Pip (Philip Kelly) wrote:
Gav don’t don’t be responsible for starting WOM War III :(
Posted on Tue, 28 February 2006 at 10:44
