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Started by turnandface

what can one say for all these people lost,but i cannot hide my little secret joy ,for american will understand(?) what is it that they to to the world all these years

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 05:02

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Ronald wrote:

to me The Ideal Crash is nothing more but a cd of the Belgian band dEUS…and yes the Americans have been sticking their noses into everything since the country exists…BUT… you just can’t kill innocent people, killing people is wron , always have been, always will be!

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 11:15

#2

mfgeorge wrote:

to have any little secert joy over this makes you a sick, sick, individual…

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 11:31

#3

turnandface wrote:

i dont feel joy about the dead people,i feel joy when the pentagon,the empire of official terrorism gets hit

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 12:06

#4

Christian wrote:

Where’s the difference? The Pentagon was hit and many people died. If you feel joy because of the symbolism (?), I wonder if you’ve lost someone because of america.

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 13:51

#5

Widgibob wrote:

I was going to post a reply to this Idiot but whats the Point??

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 16:59

#6

Body Bag Girl Iris wrote:

I red this item yesterday and have been thinking all day what to say about it, but I can’t think of anything. So I try to say nothing, but my thoughts scream.

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 17:33

#7

Michael wrote:

I felt everything but joy or other positive feelings. It made and still makes me nautious, sad, it makes me cry. This is the most sane reaction a normal human being can have to this horror. But then again, what is normal these days?
Think about what you’re saying man, it was INNOCENT people who died. Whether you are Jewish, Catholic, black, white, or whatever, we all have the right to live, and no-one has the right to take that away from innocent people.

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 17:44

#8

mfgeorge wrote:

what i think ‘turnandface’ is saying is that he doesn’t feel joy that people died, but he does that the pentagon/america was hit… unfortunately he doesn’t realize that there is no way you can separate the two… if you destroy a building with innocent people in it, regardless of if that building is a symbol to you or not, you destroy the people that are in the building…

Captain Tom McGee, New York City Firefighter, said ‘I can’t find any of my men. I don’t know where they are. The last think I heard over the radio was, ‘Tell my wife I didn’t make it out and I love her.”

i have shed tears every time i have read the above quote… i can’t even comprehend what this mans wife is going through, and the tens of thousands of others in the US and around the world…

you feel joy for a building being destroyed because of the symbolism, yet you feel said for the innocent people that have died… well your joyful symbol killed those people, and you are a selfish, ignorant, immoral person for confusing the two…

i don’t want to be taken down to the level of name calling… that is not what i’m doing… i’m just stating a fact, a fact i think (almost) every person on this board wants to say to you…

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 18:12

#9

Nausea wrote:

one ugly thing about tragedies is that most of us (not all) only reacts in a deep way if the incident happens in your area or if someone you know has been hurt or killed. i remember when i was at the tragic pearl jam show at roskilde festival last year, and discussed it on this board when i got home, and there were some on this board that replied ‘they were only pearl jam fans’. to me it was incredibly insulting and hurting, and i suppose everyone who reads what ‘turnandface’ wrote on the top of this page, and has been in someway affected by new york tragedy is feeling the same way as i did. i can imagine what hate the new yorkers feel when they see celebrating people in the streets in the middle east.. i guess what i’m trying to write is that it’s good to broaden your horizons, people (and nations) should care more - not only when a skyscraper gets destroyed by a plane in your neighborhood… anyway enough of this from me, this is not a political board, i’m going to bed!

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 19:01

#10

Brendon wrote:

It’s ok to attack us because we meddle in your country’s affairs? Please! Every other country on Earth begs us for money, and aid. They start civil wars and then ask us to stop them. They owe billions of dollars in war reparations, and then ask us to forgive their debts. They have people strap bombs to themselves, run into a school and blow it up, and then yell at us for not stopping it. Back in the 18th century, America had a foreign policy called ‘Lassez Faire’ (I know I’m spelling it wrong), which basically meant ‘Hands off’. We didn’t care what your country was doing to itself or what their problems were. And I for one am ready to go back to that policy right now. If the middle eastern countries want to blow each other up because they one believes in Allah and one doesn’t, fine. Fuck them. If Protestants and Catholics in Ireland want to bomb each other, fine. Fuck them too. Why should Americans give their lives and money to fix the problems that the rest of the world starts?

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 19:03

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Alan wrote:

Exactly right Brendon, I felt sick everytime I used see the American government’s involvement in N. Ireland, not because of the Americans, but because of our own (Ireland & Britain) failure to solve the problem. To be fair, every democratic country sees the US as ‘big brother’ and yesterday, the US paid the price. Those ignorant cunts celebrating in Afghanistan should be destroyed, anyone who endorses that form of terrorism, or any form of terrorism, doesn’t deserve to live in the same world as us.
By the way, what country do you live in, turnandface? If the Arabs invaded your country, you’d be first begging the US for help. You’re a hypocrite. In the past, I always thought that the US were too interfering, but then I thought about the consequences of US inaction.
Would we be speaking German now??? Arabic perhaps (if Saddam had his way)??? Sometimes I think us Europeans don’t know how lucky we are to have an ally like America.
Just go and think about it some more, turnandface.

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 19:57

#12

Nitro wrote:

Innocent people have died, this is shit. But, I think USA must learn to live with terrorism. All the eastern countries live with terrorism fed by USA and other rich countries.

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 20:18

#13

Alan wrote:

In Ireland on Friday, there will be a national mourning day for the people who died on Tuesday. This means all business’ will stay shut all day. What is strange about this however, is that there wasn’t a mourning day for the 29 Irish people who died in Omagh in 98 at the hands of IRA terrorism. I know there is far, far more dead in NY, but the Omagh bombing was the worst atrocity in our nations history, and should have been remembered in the same way. I guess, once again, we believe that everyone else is more important than us. It’s a pity.

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 20:50

#14

Brendon wrote:

Alan, if your country chooses to close up shop for a day of mourning, that’s their call. I wouldn’t even think to speculate why you would do it for us and not for yourlselves. The crazy thing is that with all the people that will be found dead in the rubble, the odds are fair that more than 28 of them could be Irish.

Erdemcaper, where are you getting the notion that the US is feeding terrorists? I don’t see US citizens helping Palestinians strap bombs to themselves before they run into a bus station. I don’t see American flight attendants handing out guns to Iranians when they get on board airplanes. What I do see is are a bunch of countries that need to take some fucking repsonsibility for the problems THEY CAUSED. How fucking childish is it to fault America for your problems because we’re rich and you’re not? Too fucking bad! These people live like savages and the rest of the world will be able to breathe a collective sigh of relief when they all wipe each other off of the planet.

Posted on Wed, 12 September 2001 at 23:42

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hellbelly wrote:

It’s almost silly of me to back America, but if you really think about it, they deserve all the respect in the world. And the events of the last few days have made me rethink my views on America.

They have tried to stop violence in nations outwith their own. They have helped countries in times of disaster, when nobody else did, and what thanks do they get, being called money grabbing capitalist pigs by the very nations who, without the Americans help, would have collapsed into utter chaos and ruin.

This year 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes, nobody helped.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose.
Both are still broke.

When they come out of this tragedy, they have every right to thumb their nose at every nation who has not helped America in the least.

Remember that Bin Laden isn’t waging a war on America, he’s on a Jihad against western civilization, it’s a shame, but also a privelage that America represents the strongest symbolization of western culture.

I don’t want them to retaliate, not without the help of every nation that stands up for, and lives by western culture, democracy, freedom, and beleive me, we take our freedom for granted, every minute of every day.
Or just don’t retaliate at all, but don’t help anyone else who asks, just go back to, as you say Brendon, ‘Lassez Faire’ maybe America can then, instead of fighting other peoples battles or helping others in need, you can concentrate on the wars and problems in your own cities.

Screw everyone who thinks this is America vs Afgahn, this is Bin Laden vs the rest of the world, but the rest of the world doesn’t want to know.

Posted on Thu, 13 September 2001 at 00:07

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Christian wrote:

no, the rest of the world or at least Europe takes this very seriosly I believe. I don’t want to justify anything but THERE are enough reasons to hate the US. And not just because they probably represent western culture for a lot of people.

Posted on Thu, 13 September 2001 at 14:14

#17

Brendon wrote:

Go ahead an hate us. From this day on, odds are we probably hate you too. And we’re a hell of a lot more powerful.

Posted on Thu, 13 September 2001 at 16:52

#18

Michael wrote:

What’s your problem all of a sudden? Practically all of us support the US, it’s not fair to say these things, you’re pushing it a bit too far now!

Posted on Thu, 13 September 2001 at 20:56

#19

nice guys wrote:

Hi Brendon!
I feel very sorry for what happened in the USA but yout last message somehow makes clear why so many people don’t like America and its citizens.
I hope that wasn’t what you are really thinking because the way you wrote that is nothing but stupid and very arrogant.

Stefan

Posted on Thu, 13 September 2001 at 21:15

#20

Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

Brendon, I can’t feel what you’re feeling right now, and you’re probably the one of us here that is closest to the tragedies, but I also think you’re reacting a bit too harsh. Turnandface made a very dumb remark, but I can assure you that almost all of us support the US. The fact that the NATO unanimously invoked ‘Article V’ for the first time in 52 years says a lot.

Posted on Thu, 13 September 2001 at 21:16

#21

opalmantra wrote:

Mmm…I hate patrionism and USA is very good at it. I can’t understand why people are proud of a country. (I’m only proud of people). I don’t hate american people (KKK members excl. hihi) but I cannot agree with most things that go on there. Especially when Bush made his way in the White House. Anyway, Of course we must support all actions to be taken against terrorism, no doubt about that! But something I think the US most take a better look at its own country before it starts interfearing with world bussiness. I think the UN should have bigger responsiblities. A wide force of all countries.

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 08:23

#22

penn wrote:

brendon, it makes me think that were you americans that trained bin ladin’s men to make war (against russia in the ‘70)…

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 09:21

#23

Christian wrote:

I’m sorry, I didn’t want to be insensitive. When I wrote there are enough reasons, it hadn’t anything to do with my personal opinion.I just wanted to point out that are people who despise the actions the US make. There is no way to justify the crimes done in the US. Of course, when Bush speaks about ‘a war between good and evil’ it’s clear who’s evil -the terrorists are. However there are many who fear that the US might rather think of ‘Revenge’ then ‘Justice’. You won’t just hit ‘evil’ people when you bomb a country.

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 13:56

#24

Michael wrote:

Yep, that’s what I’m afraid of too, another Hiroshima/Kawasaki. This was pure revenge too, where MILLIONS of innocent people had to pay the price for the acts of a couple of lunatics.
Let’s just hope the US keeps justice in mind, and not revenge! I’m getting the feeling that they once again want to show that they’re the strongest nation, and the way to do this is by using violence.

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 14:55

#25

Alan wrote:

The difference between Hiroshima and recent events, is that the Japanese government instigated war on the US. In this case, terrorists have acted and their nation has condemned their actions. True, there may be more to it than that, but at the moment, Afghanistan has denied responsibility and until the US proves that; firstly, bin Laden was behind it and secondly, he had the backing of his government, the US cannot just wipe out their country. That would be a bigger crime than anything that happened in New York. But like I said, there’s more to it and if it is all proven that Afghanistan is to blame, by all means wage war on them. I’m sure all Europeans will back the US, just like NATO has.

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 15:46

#26

Brendon wrote:

An act of terrorism is an act of war. Since there is no terrorist country, who do we declare war on? Obviously those who harbor the terrorists. When states sponsor terrorists, they are just as guilty. And when we attack these countries, they will stop to support rogue groups.

And Michael— Kawasaki is a motorcycle. Nagasaki is a city.

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 17:43

#27

hellbelly wrote:

maybe the US saw Kawasaki as a threat to Harley Davison

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 18:47

#28

Christian wrote:

actually it’s both, I don’t know if the city and motorcycle company are connected.

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 19:22

#29

freakz wrote:

What?! I didn’t know Harley Davison was a city

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 19:37

#30

Michael wrote:

O hell, don’t I feel stupid right now… of course I knew it was Nagasaki, I hadn’t even noticed that I wrote Kawasaki!

Posted on Fri, 14 September 2001 at 20:56

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