Wall of Mouths

they didnt make it famous cause there heavy metal it aint mainstream music

I wouldnt really classify Slayer and Pantera as being that successful, especially when you compare them to Therapy?

I disagree that success in the US gives makes a band ‘successful’. I am not anti-american when I say this, but three quarters of all UK bands that are superstars in the UK, Europe and Japan have not had success in the US, because the market is generally far too retarded to ‘get it’. Take a look at the American charts - mostly rubbish - and has been for years. The only rock bands that have made it have had to ‘dumb down’ for the US or were pretty safe and conventional anyway. I would gladly take the fame and fortune that comes from from success in other territories without having to change for the US market.

‘they were succesful in europe but bands that are only famous there and not in the u.s. come and go’

do i always need to repeat things on this board?

do YOU always need to be so negative and rude to people?

‘they were succesful in europe but bands that are only famous there and not in the u.s. come and go’…

bands that are not famous in the US do not ‘come and go’, they exist perfectly well in the rest of the world with much success without the US taking any notice. I can think of a million examples. I can also think of a lot of examples of bands that achieve success in the US and ‘come and go’ in the rest of the world, because, quite simply, they are pants.

by the way, Therapy have sold a million too.

Does any of you know how it goes with the sellings of:
The best off cd and Shameless? The cd sells good at the concerts…

I know that Troublegum sold well over 100,000 in the UK alone and Infernal Love is just under that figure. With European, Japanese etc sales included the figure for Troublegum I seem to remember seeing somewhere around 250,000. I’ll see what I can dig out of the memory palace.

I’ve read a long time ago that Troublegum sold about 300000 copies in Europe (94) and in the US it were about 70000. I’ve also read that Infernal Love sold about 75000 copies in Germany. I can’t remember where I read it exactly, I think the Troublegum sales are from MTV Videotext - so I wouldn’t lay my hand into the fire for it, you know
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have you people noticed that the only albums that you mention that sold a lot of copies are toublegum and infernal love…that says a lot. and jointly, they haven’t sold more than a million copies. infernal sold nearly 500 000, troublegum sold 120 000, and the rest of the albums collectively sold 230 000. if i find the article i got that info from, i’ll post it here. they haven’t even sold 850 000 albums collectively.

although I agree with Innocents comment about fans going down, one thing you have to remember is that Troublegum peaked with high sales because of many things, not least because they made a fantastic record, timed it just right and stood out like a sore thumb from the rubbish around at the time. Then along came Infernal Love which most people, as Michael once said, expected to be Troublegum Mark 2, but wasnt. By that time, the casual fans that the band picked up bought Infernal Love but were disappointed, hence the subsquent drop off. Add to that the marketing clout that A&M put behind the band before that wasnt really present for the next albums. All in all, I think that Therapy’s fanbase hasnt really shrunk, theyve just got rid of the fans that wanted them to make Troublegum Mark 2, 3,4 and 5. The same amount of fans bought Shameless as they did Nurse. Personally, Im glad the guys have gone down this route, they develop a new sound with each album and endless copies of TG would be boring.

Trends, but also looks… I don’t think many girls/boys have a poster of Therapy? above their bed…
But Britney Spears,Kyli,Lopez,Back Street Boys… that is all based on looks and to write a song that you can’t get out of your head…
loads and loads of promotion… the media market helps in lot in what you sell or don’t sell.
A Dutch radiopromoter/DJ (Henk Westbroek for the Dutch readers) did a stunt a few years ago when Sepultura came with the song: Roots Bloody Roots. In the Top 10 was only rubbisch music, he played that song every day and asked everybody to buy that song… after one or 2 weeks the song was number 1!!! Sepultura with Roots Bloody Roots…
So only 1 person made it possible to get a song in the top 10, ‘cause no other stations where playing it and it was also not on TV. That’s a bit crazy isn’t it, but then you also see it’s all about promotion…

Its definately about promotion, marketing, adverts, etc.. which is why i dont see t? reaching the sales, or fan base they had before, as long as they are on ark. This is the way i prefer it, i like the fact therapy are away from all the mainstream crap. To me it means smaller more personal gigs. and it just makes them more… special.