Wall of Mouths

I saw a program once where they were discussing the car-jacking epidemic in South Africa, one of the leading security manufacturers had designed a car security system where you pressed a button on the dashboard and 3 foot high flames shot out of the side of the car to krunchy-fry anyone trying to knick your motor!

Apparently this was seen to be a legitemate way of preventing car jackings. In the UK we would probably lock our doors…

I thinking killing a burglar is going slightly too far!

Tony Martin deserved to go to prison - he shot both burglars, killing one and maiming the other as they were trying to escape out the window!

mr self destruct wrote:

I thinking killing a burglar is going slightly too far!

Tony Martin deserved to go to prison - he shot both burglars, killing one and maiming the other as they were trying to escape out the window!

I think the point is ‘reasonable force’

if house owners had weapons then all robbers would be armed and it would just get worse… but I think if they are in your house knicking your stuff they are fair game for a good twatting.

i’m not saying kill first ask questions later, i’m just saying that in the UK if someone enters your property illegally with the intent of harm, you have no leg to stand on legally should you react to the situation. So i’m just saying to Matthew that if his laws are the same as the UKs then save yourself the bother and don’t buy a firearm!
If, however, the laws are similar to that of the US’s then go gun crazy boy!

mr self destruct wrote:

Of course, but I wouldn’t kill someone unless they were threatening my or my family’s life.

The last thing this country needs is a gun culture like the US - look how fucked up things are there.

Except Canada has more guns per person than the U.S. and very very few homicides by them. When people say “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”, it doesn’t mean that guns aren’t lethal. It means that when a culture is brought up to be afraid of everyone else and cope with hate, they are more likely to respond to that fear and hate with force.

Violence in culture through the media, my friends. Fear truly is a mind killer.

I live near Tony Martin and i’m glad he taught the thieving gypsy’s a lesson. I totally believe in capital punishment, esp in our society where people are free to do as they please and totally remorseless anyway.

As for the gun issue - maybe a Arnie style minigun (T2) would do the trick!

buffalo-boy wrote:

I totally believe in capital punishment

I am really surprised this place seems to be populated by so many right-wingers :rolleyes:

I’m going to keep out of this debate I think. I’ll let you all get on with talking about killing criminals ;)

mr self destruct wrote:

I am really surprised this place seems to be populated by so many right-wingers :rolleyes:

Not too surprising when one of Therapy’s most popular tunes includes the lyric “all people are shit” :)

I think a lot of people on these boards identified with Troublegums lyrics, even if Andy didn’t mean them so literally.

marja wrote:

:(, that statement makes me really sad. How can you support a punishment like this. It’s murder. Do you support murder as well?

Depends who’s getting murdered! Seriously though, mine is an extreme opinion i know, and i don’t expect anyone to agree with me, but i think that if you commit a wicked crime (paedophilia for example) you should pay the ultimate price.

But like i say, just an opinion. ;)

The death penalty does not serve as a deterrent to murderers and child abusers (who we weren’t talking about in the first place anyway - the discussion was about burglars).

Plus, there have been so many recorded miscarriages of justice and under the death penalty those innocent people would have been murdered.

Because the UK had the death penalty. And because we can look at other countries such as the US who do have the death penalty and a high crime rate :rolleyes:

You seem to now be arguing that all people convicted of a ‘serious crime’ should be executed on the possibility that they might reoffend if released. Which is either absurd or very scary, I’m not yet sure which.

Surely the US would have a higher crime rate if they didn’t have the death penalty? Bollocks - only certain states have the death penalty and the states that don’t still have comparable rates of violent crime!

As for your second point, I’d like you to give some examples of people who have raped and murdered someone and then been sent to prison just “for a bit”. They would be sent to prison for a long time, and during their imprisonment they would undergo rehabilition and therapy. They’re only released when judged no longer a risk, those that are incurable are never released (i.e. Ian Brady)

You’ve changed the argument anyway - you were originally arguing for death as punishment, now you’re arguing for death as a public safety measure. Which is it to be?

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Mr self destruct you seem very touchy about the British Legal System. Its almost as if you believe it works…

Quite the opposite - which is one reason I would never want to see the death penalty reintroduced. Which is a point I already made :rolleyes:

Taunty Dan wrote:

Lets just say i want to kill people and you don’t, ok?! ;)

Sure, I’m quite happy with that summary!