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Started by silverginger5 in General Therapy? Topics

Just wondering what everyone else thought about this subject. As we all know, all be it slightly reluctant to admit it, Therapy? arnt going to bother the top 40 anytime again
They have a steady fanbase and probably should be more recognised by the mainstream but I dont think its going to happen again, so where did they lose the market?
Personally I think that Infernal Love alienated some of the rock fans who loved Troublegum and the fans diminished from there, also loss of interest from the press hasnt helped matters, after Semi Detatched no one seemed to care what they did!
Sorry to have a negative thread but I’m sat here listening to the awesome OCFA wondering why this album has been ignored by the mainstream market.
Any Thoughts?

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 09:46

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Fuzzeh (Jack) wrote:

Well I’m too young to remember being 17 and all, but I assume its around then yus.

If compared to a band of now, sorta thing, how popular were they back in 1994/5?

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 09:59

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CS (Colin S) wrote:

Yes.

Therapy? lost their mainstream during the Infernal love era. But I like that.
If Therapy? stayed in the mainstream they could’ve sold out by now. How many bands have lasted from 1991 to 2006 and show no signs of stopping?
Therapy? are a band that don’t need to be in the mainstream, they can play excellent music (which is better than mainstream stuff), have excellent fans (lets face it, we are the best in the world), the T? lads are down to earth (Michael is the nicest guy you could ever meet) and many more reasons which I can’t be bothered to type.. :D

But yeah, I like Therapy? out of the mainstream. :)

Cx

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 10:05

#3

Fuzzeh (Jack) wrote:

I must admit I agree, though I can’t see why infernal love wasn’t popular (looking back with a 2006 perspective :P).

It truely is a classic, and mature sounding.

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 10:15

#4

The one and only Y wrote:

Yeah, but the troublegum-fans wanted nothing like that old, classic stuff so they didn´t buyed it…

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 10:17

#5

King Caffeinebomb I wrote:

If you play One Cure Fits All to one of the guys who only bought Toroublegum, they’d dig it.

If the record company had the resources and faith to promote the band properly, then Therapy? are definitely making music which is accessible and commercial enough to generate mainstream success. All about exposure

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 10:21

#6

Dennis wrote:

Caffeinebomb, I agree completely.

These last few years and the albums T? have made SURELY mean the planets are in the right place for T? to be really embraced by the younger end of the rock market, but unless the kids actually HEAR the music, that won’t happen.

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 11:20

#7

Gimme Back My Brainsaw (Mike Hunt) wrote:

Im sure one cure fits all was the bands attempt to get the record label to push them, it seems to be full of accessible singalongable songs that wouldnt sound out of place on the bbc 6music or even radio 2 playlsit however dont have radio1/ mtv potential.

I think after shockingly good sales of HA spitfire were expecting something commercial which t? refused to do resulting in NANE an album with only one song that even had the slightest sinlge potential

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 11:23

#8

King Caffeinebomb I wrote:

I think it all boils down to the “pretty young boys” idea doesn’t it?

Ginger as well as Therapy? has produced some of his best stuff over the past few years, but due to the fact that record companis prefer pretty young boys (lostprophets anyone?) they’re not recieving the level of exposure that they rightfully deserve.

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 11:39

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buffalo-boy wrote:

I remember Metal Hammer slagging Infernal Love. I bought it and liked at the time but looking back they had a point. Semi-Detached should have put them back up there, but, as we know, the record co. folded and it didn’t get the push it deserved.

I think signing to Ark 21 and making 2 albums with NO potential to casual rock fan listeners was a bad idea. 1 maybe, but Shameless came at the wrong time totally. At least they have the balls to do something different and challenge people. :cool:

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 11:51

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chippy_bones wrote:

i personally think that the fact that they lost their “pop appeal” hasn’t much to do with music.
someone said it’s because of “infernal love” being a “diffcult” album, i do not agree simply because IL is one of their bestseller, the fact is that at the time t? were flavour of the day and today they’re not.
if supported by a proper promo campaign(+ a bit of hype) anything can sell, just think about somehing like “kid a” by radiohead (now, that’s a “very difficult” album).
in my opinion, the problem is that at the peak of their popularity t? took too much time to release another album, 4- years in the music business is an huge amount of time, by the time SD was released the world had forgotten them.
the fact that they continued to make music after such a big drop in sales (and having to resize their venues..)only makes them more magic and heroic in my eyes.
many bands would have split (and maybe martin departure has something to to with that) but they decided to go on anyway… RESPECT!!!

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 12:07

#11

FNYANKEZ wrote:

I think the problem was that A&M had no clue how to handle Infernal Love. T? switched gears on them so fast, and so drastically, they didn’t know what to do. I saw virtually nothing in the states about the album. It’s like they released it in secret. If it wasn’t for a review in the one guitar mag I was getting at the time, I never would have known about it… (excellent review BTW).

True it didn’t have that breakout “single” like Troublegum, but it was still an excellent album. (By far their best produced).

Looking back they prorably would have been better off doing a SD type album just to cement the interest begun with troublegum, and once they were on firmer ground you can release the “arty” record and it will be better recieved.

To alot of the business and public, T? shifted sound too much over three albums that it was tough for some to figure them out. And alot of the press pummelled them for the same thing.

But T? have always gone their own way, and that’s why I’ve stuck with them. Unfortunately the business doesn’t always work that way

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 15:25

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andys gibson sg (James Harris) wrote:

I agree with the others on the issues of the record companies. If material after Infernal Love wasn’t enough to push the band I’m pretty sure “If it kills me” was/is enough to shoot the band back up to Troublegum status. It could of even helped in supporting the death of nu-metal. Had it been supported and been plastered over Mtv or even power fm (shit I know but I hear theres more ‘rock’-ish type bands being aired) then they’d almost be a household name. If the label pushed them more then I think they would see more rewards in their efforts cuz regardless of peoples opinions on OCFA they did put alot of heart and soul into the record, it sounds. Maybe they deserve more success…? Staying ‘underground’ for so long might mean a death to the band. But its whatever path they choose to take best. I’m just scared that some record company one day might say “Sorry lads, this ain’t 1994 anymore - you’re old hat”. :(

They’ve got the songs god damn it!!! But they need that exposure.

:)

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 18:09

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Coca Cola Shower Man wrote:

Title: Infernal Love

Infernal Love was for me the record to get more and more interested. I knew Going Nowhere, but had never listened to Trouble gum. Due to several promo clips and the single Stories I bought the album Infernal Love. Since then I need Therapy? But it must be that they lost their mainstream popularity by the lack of attention by the recordlabel during SD, besides this lack it isn’t a very pleasant and mainstream album…

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 18:40

#14

andys gibson sg (James Harris) wrote:

Its ‘Nowhere’ NOT ‘Going Nowhere’ :rolleyes:

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 18:50

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Coca Cola Shower Man wrote:

Yep, you’re right… should have known better… but then… I didn’t had any attention for T? during the troublegum period.

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 18:54

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Punkwak (Tijn) wrote:

Fyfe ewing is the keyword in this…

He was the key to succes and after him there was enough succes but on an other level… I think the members of therapy didn’t mind much.. They did their thing and mostly their where much people who came and watch their shows.. They made their music and stayed close with the fanbase..!!

Maybe with a little playtime on big radio stations they can have a little hit with walk through darkness and dopamine, s,a… let’s pray.. :p

Cheers

Posted on Fri, 28 July 2006 at 20:39

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Graeme55? (Graeme Williams) wrote:

i dont think infernal love was the problem

it still went to no9 in the charts and had KKKKK by kerrang! i think they lost it either when they did that ‘hiatus’ between IL and semi-detached when their chart placings plummeted, or, it was the ‘suicide pact u 1st’ album, its a good album but to me, 1 of their worst theyve made, t? may have been proud of it, but it was the album that lost many fans (fact!) it also got huge critisism despite the good reviews (KKKK kerrang!)

shameless didnt help either, its a better album, but i thought it was too little too late, once u do a ‘bad’ album like ‘spyf’, evry1 loses interest and think its all downhill from there, i think it was all downhill until high anxiety, nane and one cure fits all they are slowly bringing back their popularity

anyone agrees? im not expecting anything, after all we all r entitled to r opinions :)

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 00:51

#18

icon wrote:

it’s also a bit hard to market a band whose recent song titles have been “Die like a Motherfucker”, “Last One to Heaven is a Loser”, “Hey Satan, You Rock”.

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 04:26

#19

King Caffeinebomb I wrote:

3 Words for you dude, People = Shit.

Managed to market that to some degree of success.

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 07:49

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stuntbelly (Mike) wrote:

Therapy lost their mainstream popularity when grunge wasn’t the fashionable thing. Radio stations stopped playing it.
What could of been worse t? could of ended up like Greenday
selling out the the pop culture

I am proud to be a fan. Yeah some of their albums are maybe not the best but I’m glad they do their own thing

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 09:16

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Gimme Back My Brainsaw (Mike Hunt) wrote:

therapy? still have lots of fans you only had to be at the narberth gig to see just how many locals actually knew the band, the fact is the band need one song played on radio 6 just to spark up intrest and all the people who bought troublegum will go I diddnt know they were still around i must check out their new record.

and BANG!

therapy? dont need a relentless marketing campaign they just need to travel via word of mouth, ive managed to get a few people including my girlfriedn (who bought troublegum on hmvs sales) into therapy?

oh and btw in any hmv in britain go into the sale section and they have tons of troublegums for £4 on the front, and ive seen quite alot of people picking them up and looking on the back and contemplating buying it.

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 09:38

#22

Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

Do you work there, or just lurk?

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 10:13

#23

silverginger5 wrote:

Its good to see some optimism about the recent albums causing an upsurge in therapy? popularity, but I dont see it myself. HA was critically acclaimed in some magazines and caused a few people to take notice. Then fairplay to the media because when NANE came out they had more lines in Kerrang than they have had in years (they even had an interview with Andy, all be it sandwiched in between fuckin My Chemical Romance and some other shit)

But it seems to me that they have lost interest in Therapy? again, maybe I missed something but I saw no interviews or anything in Kerrang or any other big rock magazine to promote OCFA. This in itself worries me as bands dont usually get a second chance at success, and maybe if things dont pick up for them then it could be all over. I hate to say that but you see it happen.

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 10:25

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Gimme Back My Brainsaw (Mike Hunt) wrote:

Um motorhead were massive in the 70’s but get no marketing for their albums any more, i see therapy? becoming a huge live act like motorhead and touring for many years, cus motorhead never got back to overkill/ace of spades popularity, i mean sales for inferno were probably quite low, yet motorhaed are still a household name.

i dont know what im proving with this point, but i just see therapy? in a similar postition to motorhead

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 10:28

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andys gibson sg (James Harris) wrote:

silverginger5 wrote:

…maybe I missed something but I saw no interviews or anything in Kerrang or any other big rock magazine to promote OCFA. This in itself worries me as bands dont usually get a second chance at success, and maybe if things dont pick up for them then it could be all over. I hate to say that but you see it happen.

This I agree with. Anyone else scared about this? Word of mouth, I’m sorry to say, doesn’t always support a career.

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 19:26

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andys gibson sg (James Harris) wrote:

silverginger5 wrote:

…maybe I missed something but I saw no interviews or anything in Kerrang or any other big rock magazine to promote OCFA. This in itself worries me as bands dont usually get a second chance at success, and maybe if things dont pick up for them then it could be all over. I hate to say that but you see it happen.

This I agree with. Anyone else scared about this? Word of mouth, I’m sorry to say, doesn’t always support a career.

And not being horrible to the greatest band in the world but… Motorhead in my own experience appear to be more recognizable than Therapy?. You could stop people in the street and I swear more people have heard of Lemmy and his crew more.

A good question I’d like to ask: how long does a band with a (awesome) fanbase such as this last? :(

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 19:31

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CS (Colin S) wrote:

Therapy? could go on for another 10 years… if we still stuck by them (which we will).

So, I think they still have a lot left in their tank, just need to write songs with less reptitive lines..

Cx

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 19:41

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King Caffeinebomb I wrote:

Every tour I’ve been to see them on since Suicide Pact, I’ve worried that it might be the last - I’ve seen a lot of bands that I love get big, fade away a bit and split up to get day jobs.

I just thank my goat-footed horny master that Therapy? haven’t chosen this route.

On the Other hand - if you look at The Wildhearts and Terrorvision as contemporary examples, they both managed much bigger recent tours than Therapy? have for years as a direct result of having split up. People are attracted by the nostalga kick and the prospect that they might never see them again. (I’ve seen the “last ever” Terrorvision gig 3 times so far)

I think it’s a great mark of respect for the fans that Andy, Michael and Neil keep releasing albums that we love and keep touring to keep us happy. I’ve been to pretty much every Therapy? tour since 1999 and I thought we had a bigger crownd on the OCFA tour than we have since Semi-Detached.

Moral of my long rambling post is - no matter how tempting - please don’t split up boys!

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 21:08

#29

Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

Hmm, maybe they should call the next tour ‘The Reunion Tour’ and see if they get bigger crowds? :)

Posted on Sat, 29 July 2006 at 22:02

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King Caffeinebomb I wrote:

If they advertise the fuck out of it and claim it is the original line up from troublegum AND that it will be recorded for a live dvd then everyone who ever even heard screamager will be there.

(Wildhearts did a gig at Scarborough castle last year claiming “original line up” status -after casual research, that line-up actually recorded 4 songs together, that’s your lot! Also claim to be recording a live DVD every other gig or so too)

Posted on Sun, 30 July 2006 at 00:23

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