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Started by Taunty Dan

Okay, this is something that occurred to me whilst reading the JDB thread, Dennis bought up the impending Manics reissue of “everything must go”. I don’t know exactly whats on it, but i think there are an abundance of demos, b sides etc and a DVD. It just made me wonder who else is a fan of all these reissues and the like over the past few years? Or who prefers the originals and think they should be left alone?

Personally i’m not a fan. I just think it ruins the effect the original albums had on me. Examples being the reissues of Holy Bible, Pet Sounds, and Pornography spring to mind. I prefer to dig for obscure songs, not have them presented on a plate, wheres the fun in that? And as for “remastered” albums, i find its extremely rare that a spruced up version doesn’t kill whatever made the album great in the first place.

Opinions, thoughts?

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 14:20

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mr self destruct wrote:

I think they’re great - anything that gives me more value for my money is fine by me. I thought the Holy Bible reissue was a very nice package…I got a load of tracks and a cool DVD I wouldn’t otherwise have bothered finding and buying. Often the albums come in nicer packaging as well i.e. digipack, extra liner notes and photos, and I’m a sucker for decent album packaging.

I can understand why someone might have a problem with a favourite album being remastered…but if you’re going to get wound up by it, just don’t buy it and stick with the original! I’ve only a few remastered albums and they sound better (which isn’t difficult as they’re all really low-budget black metal!)

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 14:33

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Divers (Simon) wrote:

I think it’s fine as long as i don’t have the album already…as i’m a cheap bastard and hate shelling out for something i already own:p

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 14:43

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Taunty Dan wrote:

mr self destruct wrote:

I can understand why someone might have a problem with a favourite album being remastered…but if you’re going to get wound up by it, just don’t buy it and stick with the original! I’ve only a few remastered albums and they sound better (which isn’t difficult as they’re all really low-budget black metal!)

oh i’m not wound up by it really, i can see why someone WOULD buy it, but, say for example Lou Reeds “transformer”, i’d rather dig out my battered old lp complete with scratches than listen to the remastered version with the nice shiny new gold sleeve and new liner notes and pics and bonus tracks chucked on the end.

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 14:58

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Alan wrote:

I bought the AC/DC remastered boxset a while back, and it’s very impressive. The songs are loud, and the packaging (digipaks with extensive booklets of liner notes/photos) is great too. The only thing is that I tend to take obsessive care of them when taking a disk out to be played, kinda sad really :p

I also bought the set on vinyl, and haven’t even removed the shrinkwrap!

But like I said in the other thread, remastered versions of the pre-Troublegum releases would be great. It would be nice to put some of those tracks on my cdr compliations without them being “dwarfed” by the more recent material (for example, try playing Meat Abstract straight after Sprung without adjusting the volume/bass etc.). Horrible.

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 15:03

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zomboid666 wrote:

£12.99 off Amazon for ALL THIS!:

Disc: 1
1. Elvis Impersonator: Blackpool Pier
2. A Design For Life
3. Kevin Carter
4. Enola/Alone
5. Everything Must Go
6. Small Black Flowers That Grow In The Sky
7. The Girl Who Wanted To Be God
8. Removables
9. Australia
10. Interiors (song for Willem De Kooning)
11. Further Away
12. No Surface All Feeling
13. Enola/Alone (live)
14. Kevin Carter (live)
15. Interiors (Song For Willem De Kooning) (live)
16. Elvis Impersonator: Blackpool Pier (live)
17. Everything Must Go (live)
18. A Design For Life (live)
19. A Design For Life (Stealth Sonic Orchestra Remix)

Disc: 2
1. Dixie
2. No Surface All Feeling (demo)
3. Further Away (demo)
4. Small Black Flowers That Grow In The Sky (demo)
5. No One Knows What It’s Like To Be Me (demo)
6. Australia (acoustic demo)
7. No Surface All Feeling (acoustic demo)
8. Interiors (acoustic demo)
9. The Girl Who Wanted To Be God (acoustic demo)
10. A Design For Life (first rehearsal)
11. Kevin Carter (first rehearsal)
12. Mr Carbohydrate
13. Dead Trees And Traffic Islands
14. Dead Passive
15. Black Garden
16. Hanging On
17. No One Knows What It’s Like To Be Me
18. Horses Under Starlight
19. Sepia
20. First Republic
21. Australia (Stephen Hague production)
22. The Girl Who Wanted To Be God

Disc: 3
1. Bonus DVD:
2. The Making of ‘Everything Must Go’
3. TV performances:
4. Small Black Flowers That Grow In The Sky (Later…With Jools Holland)
5. Australia (Later…With Jools Holland)
6. A Design For Life (TFI Friday)
7. No Surface All Feeling (Reading 1997)
8. Everything Must Go (Saturday Live)
9. A Design For Life (BRIT Awards + speech)
10. Live:
11. ‘Elona/Alone’/’Small Black Flowers That Grow In The Sky’/’The Girl Who Wanted To Be God’ (Manchester Nynex, 1997)
12. Films by Patrick Jones:
13. Further Away - new video
14. Home Movie
15. Videos:
16. A Design For Life
17. Everything Must Go
18. Kevin Carter
19. Australia

I don’t think you can knock it to be honest. Great package. I’ll DEFINATELY be buying it. This ain’t a rip off deal…

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 15:04

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Taunty Dan wrote:

Alan wrote:

But like I said in the other thread, remastered versions of the pre-Troublegum releases would be great.

Noooo!! they sound ace! Expecially Nurse! :D

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 15:11

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soul doubt (an) wrote:

Alan wrote:

(for example, try playing Meat Abstract straight after Sprung without adjusting the volume/bass etc.). Horrible.

Or the other way around… eardamage guaranteed :(

I think re-issues are very nice if they contain bonus material (the more the better :D) and/or a different package as the original release.

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 15:15

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FNYANKEZ wrote:

I like re-masters if it really adds something to the music.

The Megadeth re-masters are great (Mustaine did them himself). Not only is the sound enhanced, but in a bunch of cases they removed background noises and other production gimmicks put in by the original producers. You can really hear each instrument clearly, it’s given me a little more respect for Gar Samuelson, and Dave Ellifson.

The original Stones remasters from the late 90s were a complete rip-off. The newer ones are much better.

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 15:28

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fatboy wrote:

I’m all up for this, depending on the band. EMI re-released Bowie’s Ziggy Stardust for its 30th anniversery with an extra CD full of rare tracks, long forgotten b -sides and demos, notes and quotes and rare pictures, I thought for £15 (I think) it was a bargin.

If Therapy? reissued their back catalouge, they’d have (I hope) have tracks that were released as b - sides, stuff that some of us fands missed out on. On top of that, I’d like to think that there are fans that missed out on T?’s 90’s best days, so I think this would be welcomed.

Posted on Tue, 24 October 2006 at 21:39

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Igor Belanov wrote:

Personally I think that adding on a few b-sides and rarities to a re-release is a good thing, but that Everything Must Go reissue is a bit over the top. I don’t think you need so many demos, acoustics and live versions- most of those songs will barely ever get played and those who are dedicated enough probably got their hands on those already.

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 07:26

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buffalo-boy wrote:

I would have to argue that its a great idea. For me - i was totally bored of music when The Holy Bible reissue came out. I watched the dvd and suddenly I wanted to be in a band and be young again and go out and fuck up the World! Thats why i got into kick ass music in the first place and that CD brought it all back!

The only time i think its a shit idea is in the case of corporate cocksuckers like Bloc Party and Bullet For My Valentine who re-released their albums 11 months after the original with a few extra tracks on to keep their high flying albums in the charts a bit longer. (Albums, i might add, that really aren’t that good but due to lack of anything better around are selling respectably).

At least with re-issues of long forgotten classics of yesteryear, the bands are celebrating a piece of history - they know they’re not going to go back into the charts but lovers of music will appreciate them and even if you just buy out of nostalgia - what the Hell? Nowt wrong with that!

Now where the Hell is the Troublegum re-release with a bonus DVD?! ;)

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 07:31

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buffalo-boy wrote:

Igor Belanov wrote:

Personally I think that adding on a few b-sides and rarities to a re-release is a good thing, but that Everything Must Go reissue is a bit over the top. I don’t think you need so many demos, acoustics and live versions- most of those songs will barely ever get played and those who are dedicated enough probably got their hands on those already.

Good point - but to have them all in one neat package collated lovingly with the help/blessing of the actual band has to be good. I could quite happily sit there and go through 3-4 hours of all this great stuff because I listen to music as opposed to just hearing it.

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 07:36

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Alan wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

Now where the Hell is the Troublegum re-release with a bonus DVD?! ;)

Superb idea!

How about a re-release with a bonus dvd of the full entire Brixton gig that MTV recorded (but only broadcast 30 minutes), plus the Turn & banned Isolation videos?

Sweet :cool:

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 07:58

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buffalo-boy wrote:

I would be most interested to see the person/s who designed the cover/inlay. From the dark recesses of which mind did this stuff come from?!

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 08:36

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Dennis wrote:

I have a number of AcDc CD’s, some of which are remastered and some aren’t, and without a shadow of a doubt the remastered ones sound by far the best. There is a clarity and energy to them that is missing on the cheap and nasty issues from yesteryear.

As for added extras and that…hmmm…I see your point, Dan, and to me the Holy Bible is in my top 3 albums of all time, so if ever there was an album that ought to be left alone..But still, the reissue was interesting, the DVD was good and after all I still have the original CD if I want that “untouched” version.

I personally HATE having to trawl through record shops and ebay listings to gather up crappy obscure CD singles just to get that one elusive track..I prefer to think that a good song should be around for all time, and be available to everyone, not just the lucky few who were there at the time. I have every Morrissey single, and most of the B-sides are fantastic and worth every penny, but I would still have preferred to have them all in one place on one compilation. Most of my listening is done in the car, and it ain’t safe to keep changing CD every three songs!

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 08:56

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Dennis wrote:

PS the recent Depeche Mode reissues are ace too xx

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 08:59

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Taunty Dan wrote:

Well i guess the majority of folk are happy enough to have these obscure b’sides and demos and the like given to them in a nice package. Its not like i really hate it or anything (Me? Hate stuff?!) but i’ve always been a fan of record fairs and record shops, and i love the elation of finding that elusive gem you’ve been searching for for years. I think its fair to say ebays killed that too.

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 09:29

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Dennis wrote:

But but but, I had to go to WALSALL to a record shop to complete my Morrissey CD single collection. I mean ,you wouldn’t wish that upon ANYONE, would you?!

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 11:11

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Taunty Dan wrote:

watch it Ennis! :p heh heh. Yeah, i remember the days of walsall actually having record shops (bridge, sundown).

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 11:14

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Igor Belanov wrote:

Did Morrissey reside in Walsall at one point? I’m just thinking of the lyric “When I lived in the arse of the world”. I thought he probably meant Bridlington. Or Hull. Or some other places in East Yorkshire. Or probably Salford.

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 11:15

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buffalo-boy wrote:

Taunty Dan wrote:

i love the elation of finding that elusive gem you’ve been searching for for years. I think its fair to say ebays killed that too.

I would have to disagree mr Taunty one and say that if anything, I imagine ebay has got people back into buying records again - ok so its from their desks and not from a boot sale but i know a few people who have got back into music cos of something they bought on e-bay.

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 12:14

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buffalo-boy wrote:

…and besides which, as you may or may not know, I f~~king HATE people anyway; and would rather get something online where i don’t have to have an exchange with some idiot!
At a record fair once I asked the guy if he had any Wildhearts records. He kept insisting that they were Dylans backing band (?!) even when I said , “No, the shamefully hedonistic tuneful 90’s rock band from Newcastle”. Not a clue.

Er…terracotta?

:rolleyes: :D

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 12:18

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Taunty Dan wrote:

Dylans backing band??!! fantastic! I can see your point with ebay, but there are still those of us who like wasting hours/days on end looking for something on a cold and wet sunday morning in some dodgy field you’ve queued an hour to get into! :D i do buy stuff on ebay myself, but within reason.

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 12:46

#24

mr self destruct wrote:

Hey Dan - I hope you weren’t expecting agreement when you started this thread :p

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 19:17

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Taunty Dan wrote:

Yes! :( Just makes me out to be the miserable old bastard that doesn’t want an easy life and doesn’t like change…

…well its true, but still. I thought there would be more folk like me! :p

I just want ONE person to say “that Pet Sounds box set: What a load of bollocks!! give me the vinyl and a spliff anyday!”

Posted on Wed, 25 October 2006 at 19:25

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buffalo-boy wrote:

Ok ok we have been a bit hard on you…!

I went to a record fair and bought the original Appetite for Destruction with the banned artwork for £2!

That was cool!

Posted on Thu, 26 October 2006 at 07:10

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Dennis wrote:

Taunty Dan wrote:

I just want ONE person to say “that Pet Sounds box set: What a load of bollocks!! give me the vinyl and a spliff anyday!”

but…marijuana is illegal, Dan…!

Posted on Thu, 26 October 2006 at 10:20

#28

Taunty Dan wrote:

:eek: Really?? i thought it was Tijuana??

*curses himself for flushing his “greatest hits of tijuana brass” down the toilet*

Posted on Thu, 26 October 2006 at 14:33

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Dennis wrote:

:D

I wouldn’t worry, mate, you’ll soon pick up a dirt-cheap copy of the CD reissue (double pack, with a photograph, extra track and a tacky badge) off eBay, no worries.

Posted on Thu, 26 October 2006 at 14:52

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Dennis wrote:

I watched the DVD from the Holy Bible again last night and even though the interview is just 30 minutes long, I found it fascinating and it genuinely added to the experience of the album, rather than cheapening it, but then that album is one that stands up to indepth scrutiny and the whole packaging and imagery is part of the appeal. Whether I’d wanna pay good money for a DVD of a band talking about how they recorded the floor toms on an album is another matter…

Posted on Fri, 27 October 2006 at 09:00

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