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One cure fits all - intentionally screwed sound?

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Started by IvanJ in General Therapy? Topics

I was just listening NANE for the first time and was blown away with it!! Wooow! It is raw, but with a style, power and T? trademark sound.
But the sound is crystal clear. So was in Shameless or High anxiety… and albums before that.

Apparently, that’s not the case in One cure fits all.
I like that album very much, but sometimes I got tired of hearing drums (snare) or guitars buried deep in the mix… Was it mastered at all (I searched the booklet and couldn’t find the mastering guy)?

But that makes me think… maybe the guys just wanted to have more “demo” sound? They are too experienced and too good to allow this “mistake” by accident.
In the end, it makes a contrast… because the whole album is pretty straight and accessible song wise, yet the mix is practically non-mastered.

Or maybe my ears need a little cleansing? ;)

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 00:08

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Graeme55? (Graeme Williams) wrote:

no ur ears dont need cleaning, in fact, some of the WoMbles have said the same thing, u cant hear the snare for shit, the cymbals drowns out the music in some places, the bass is too loud. its a very good record dont get me wrong, but its let down by such lacklustre production :(

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 01:17

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buffalo-boy wrote:

i really like the guitar sound on this album - very pure and loud. Shame about the songs. :(

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 07:06

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KJC Dublin (Karl) wrote:

I agree - the guitar sound is the big plus on this album. I found the NANE production cool and powerfull, but am not a fan of Fuzz effects on guitar.

I think on OCFA the individual instruments sound cool, but the mix is a bit messy. Was all recorded live, so no wonder I guess.

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 07:33

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Dennis wrote:

I have been listening to OCFA again for the first time in ages, and my thoughts are that each individual instrument is well recorded - Powerful guitar sound, vocals sound great, bass is heavy and deep, and the drums (when you can hear them - and there are parts where you can) have a definite tight “Therapy?” sound…the production problems are all down to the mix itself.

I doubt whether anyone would do that deliberately - If you wanted a rough and ready sound, you’d not bother to get such a clear guitar sound, surely?
I think for that “demo” feel you’d have rough sounds mixed well, not clear sounds mixed muddily…?

Anyone agree/ disagree..?

I mean, OCFA is far from unlistenable, it just could’ve been that extra bit better, from a production point of view, and there are maybe four tracks that to me scream “filler”.

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 08:48

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IvanJ wrote:

I agree, I noticed that too.
In some songs drums are just crisp and tight..

Don’t know what to say…we still don’t know if the album was mastered at all.
Maybe that’s the only reason why some songs sound ok, while others are little murky.

But I disagree with you about fillers…
It does have one or two weaker tracks… but even Troublegum had that.

P.S. I didn’t know that OCFA was recorded live like SP:YF?? Huh?

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 11:37

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Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:

The album was mastered/mixed in a week

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 11:43

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KJC Dublin (Karl) wrote:

IvanJ wrote:

P.S. I didn’t know that OCFA was recorded live like SP:YF?? Huh?

There is another thread going at the moment regarding a dutch interview with Andy. In that interview he talks about recording the album. I had thought that each instrument was recorded individually, but according to the interview they were recorded live.

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 11:51

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josepholney wrote:

I can assure you the album has been mastered; it’s loud as hell!

I always thought the production on OCFA was very good, nice modern crisp sound.

I think just the main rhythm components were recorded live, and then Andy would have overdubbed various guitars.

Posted on Wed, 28 March 2007 at 12:36

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Shra-Mee wrote:

I have (finally) to admit, that I don’t really like OCFA. It sounds too clean for my personal taste. Especially the production of the vocals sounds soooo 80ies. Sorry. :-(

Posted on Thu, 29 March 2007 at 07:17

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IvanJ wrote:

I guess many of us see (hear) the album in totally different, even opposite way… and that’s good!

Hearing that it was recorded live clears some doubts I had!

Posted on Thu, 29 March 2007 at 09:54

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Evil T wrote:

The production doesn’t bother me anymore, even though at first I couldn’t listen to the album without headphones.

Now, only “Into the Light” sounds awful. It’s the only track on the album that I skip because of the bad production and the song itself ain’t that good either. But I think NANE has more fillers than OFCA.

Posted on Thu, 29 March 2007 at 12:36

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Charlie wrote:

The drums dissapear completely on the final chorus of Deluded Son.

Posted on Thu, 29 March 2007 at 15:04

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IvanJ wrote:

Evil T wrote:

Now, only “Into the Light” sounds awful. It’s the only track on the album that I skip because of the bad production and the song itself ain’t that good either. But I think NANE has more fillers than OFCA.

I quite like Into the light… at first I didn’t, but now it’s one of my favourites and I like to play it loud!

Posted on Thu, 29 March 2007 at 15:59

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Dennis wrote:

Into The Light only has one chord in it, worst song on the album for me.

Posted on Thu, 29 March 2007 at 16:07

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IvanJ wrote:

Well, it’s a simple song, but it doesn’t have to be complex to be good, at least for me. I really like the tension and disharmony of the whole thing!
Andy shines vocally there… in some dirty way.

Posted on Thu, 29 March 2007 at 23:41

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Dennis wrote:

Oh I agree that it doesn’t have to be complex to be a good song, that’s a fair point.

Just something about Into The Light that doesn’t “do” it for me, maybe that’s a better way for me to put it.

Posted on Fri, 30 March 2007 at 12:09

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Gimme Back My Brainsaw (Mike Hunt) wrote:

wasnt it said that they recorded onto tape instead of computer?

could that have something to do with teh sound?

Posted on Fri, 30 March 2007 at 12:12

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Charlie wrote:

No.

Posted on Fri, 30 March 2007 at 18:05

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Billy Blue wrote:

There is deffo more than one point on OCFA where the drums are completely blurred out. Shame.

Having said that, Nurse has got pretty bad production but we all love that.

Posted on Sat, 31 March 2007 at 13:13

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Charlie wrote:

The production on Nurse totally makes that album.

Like The Holy Bible - its the claustrophobic production that makes that album what it is.

Same as Nurse’s ” Recorded in an empty swimming pool ” sound makes it what it is.

It suits the mood of the songs.

Posted on Sat, 31 March 2007 at 22:32

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FNYANKEZ wrote:

I don’t think the production on Nurse is necesarrily bad.. I agree that it fits the songs.

I do think it just needs a good remastering. It’s a bit quiet by today’s standards..like most stuff put out at that time.

Just listen to the songs included on So Much For the 10 Year Plan. They sound great, and they weren’t re-mixed, just amped up a bit.

Posted on Tue, 3 April 2007 at 15:20

#22

The one and only Y wrote:

I think T? wanted to get that raw Nurse/SPYF sound, but it got wrong :rolleyes:

Posted on Tue, 3 April 2007 at 18:36

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Fuzzeh (Jack) wrote:

I think the nurse production is way better, especially in its own right.

OCFA sounds too flat to me, and tracks like deluded son (good song imho) get abused by the production somewhat.

Posted on Thu, 5 April 2007 at 19:47

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IvanJ wrote:

I started to appreciate OCFA a lot more! In fact I like the whole album much more than NANE. Rain hits concrete EP is also amazing.

Solid and very strong effort. Hearing the songs live added the new dimension. I especially liked Our white noise live.

Posted on Tue, 17 April 2007 at 22:40

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