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Started by trigger

Your opinion on them, are there any (or many)immigrants in the place you live, are you an immigrant and all relevant stuff.

Posted on Mon, 25 November 2002 at 21:05

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#1

RobbyVDH wrote:

I’m not an immigrant, just a regular tourist in Germany :D

Posted on Mon, 25 November 2002 at 21:06

#2

White Psycho wrote:

I dunno, if they’re coming for legitimate reason, like they’ve been given a job and they have the money to live then I have no problem

Posted on Mon, 25 November 2002 at 22:12

#3

opalmantra wrote:

No. But what is too many?
Everyone wants a good place to live. I can’t blame anyone for coming to this country. Other leave this country because of tax reasons. :D

Posted on Mon, 25 November 2002 at 22:30

#4

Citizen Erased wrote:

Hmm… what about all the white people all over the world that emigrated illegally? I.e. Australia, America etc.? Am sure the locals weren’t too pleased to see them?

Besides, in the 50s and 60s, people from other commonwealth countries were encouraged by the government to come to the UK. Tax dodgers are one thing, but PLEASE don’t assume that the issue is immigration and not just ILLEGAL immigration ;)

Posted on Tue, 26 November 2002 at 08:21

#5

Blonde Blade wrote:

Personally, it doesn’t bother me, because it’s not like the country is full or anything… of course, we don’t have many (if any) immigrants over where i live, so my opinion won’t be very valid.

Posted on Tue, 26 November 2002 at 11:14

#6

Body Bag Girl Iris wrote:

In my city 17% is immigrant… I’ve got ONE Dutch neighbour!!!
Iris

Posted on Tue, 26 November 2002 at 13:41

#7

opalmantra wrote:

They should spread people more around.
I guess your neighbourhood is not a wealthy one?

Posted on Tue, 26 November 2002 at 17:59

#8

say10 wrote:

my father is an immigrant and came to germany 35 years ago because he had fallen in love with a german girl(my mother). and he still doesn’t have a german passport. but me and my sister do.

Posted on Tue, 26 November 2002 at 19:40

#9

Barbie wrote:

Britain lets in far too many immigrants and gives them far too many benefits. Britain is shit and weak and stupid.

Posted on Tue, 26 November 2002 at 21:24

#10

rocking roxy wrote:

well, i’m a kind of stew :-)…
one part of me is from litvia and the other makes me a latina coming from chile…

Posted on Tue, 26 November 2002 at 21:38

#11

Sabotage wrote:

Barbie wrote:

Britain lets in far too many immigrants and gives them far too many benefits. Britain is shit and weak and stupid.

That kind-of sums it up for me too.
I think like this…
I live in a house. It’s my home.
I wouldn’t let anyone in who I didn’t either know/trust/want there etc. I wouldn’t let a no good loafer in, or an axe murderer.
So then, to extrapolate.
I live in England. It’s my home.
I’m sure the rest is self explanatory.
A bit simplistic?
Why make life complicated.
BTW, I don’t hate people. Just in case someone thinks I do.

Posted on Wed, 27 November 2002 at 10:09

#12

infernalover wrote:

they always pass through italy… at least for the ones from the south and from the east… ops, there’s no immigrants from north and from west…
well, for italy is a big problem. every day you hear of boats of immigrants approaching sicily with hundreds of guys… last summer a boat sank in the sea near sicily and about a hundred people died… they also arrive from albany with powerful boats, really fast, and when the “drivers” see the police, they throw the “passengers” in the water and flee away… so is, the most bastard person in the world is an albanian scafist..

Posted on Wed, 27 November 2002 at 12:35

#13

soul doubt (an) wrote:

Mostly I don’t have problems with immigrants, they just don’t have to try to rule our country. There are some places in Antwerp you don’t feel safe at night, some not even during the day, I guess every city has this problem. But there are as well some very nice places in Antwerp with lot’s of Turkish people, that may be mentioned as well! Some people only see the bad things, but most of those immigrants have political problems in their countries. There won’t be so many people who just leave their family and friends to live in a complete strange country, in such poor conditions, … as long as they try to find a job and don’t cause troubles than everyone is welcome for me!!!

But than there’s another thing, I live very close to the border of Holland, they all come over the border, if you’re in my town, you’d swear you’re in Holland!!! :)
I cannot blame these people either, they pay less taxes in Belgium, they’re able to build a house overhere, which doesn’t seem to be so easy in Holland. But the negative thing about it is, … they make it almost impossible for me to stay, … They make the prices of our houses and our land rise like hell!!! :(

Posted on Wed, 27 November 2002 at 20:50

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opalmantra wrote:

Well…what immigrants are we talking about. ;-)
You have people who come/came here to work and stayed. People who come for (better) financial reasons. People who found someone they love and get married. People who come illigal. People who fled from their country because of threat. Immigrants that don’t immigrate.
I really don’t mind…as long as they stay by the rules, i see no problems.

Posted on Wed, 27 November 2002 at 22:06

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donVutz wrote:

well, i had problems with some imigrants once who thought they own the town. almost became a fistfight before police came. and then my nice neighbours who keep calling me nazi and my girlfriend nazibitch aren’t that nice either, but then again, i had enough problems with skinheads and other idiots.
after all, i have no problem with immigrants, i just have a problem with assholes, no matter where they come from.

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 00:22

#16

Citizen Erased wrote:

Sabotage wrote:

That kind-of sums it up for me too.
I think like this…
I live in a house. It’s my home.
I wouldn’t let anyone in who I didn’t either know/trust/want there etc. I wouldn’t let a no good loafer in, or an axe murderer.
So then, to extrapolate.
I live in England. It’s my home.
I’m sure the rest is self explanatory.
A bit simplistic?
Why make life complicated.
BTW, I don’t hate people. Just in case someone thinks I do.

So presumably someone that comes here, works hard, gets married (taking on another man’s daughter in the process), has his own kid and ends up paying a high rate of tax whilst not claiming a single penny in benefit is okay? Or is he just stealing “our” jobs and women?

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 09:33

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Sabotage wrote:

Seems OK.
My best friend is the son of a East European immigrant, who did pretty much the same kind of thing as you describe.
Another friend of mine went to live in Dusseldorf. Married a German girl etc.
Can’t be doing with spongers though. Can anyone?
Are lots of these people here in the UK to flee oppression? or other motives.
I’ve got a gut feeling that Joe Britain is being taken for a ride, and he can’t criticise in any way. If he does criticise, he is branded a Nazi or some such abuse. I’m not. It just seems reasonable to me to not let all and sundry into your “home”.

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 10:59

#18

Alan wrote:

I agree with Sabotage. I imagine the situation in Britain is as bad, if not worse, than in Ireland.

There’s nothing but Romanians begging on the streets of my town now. Why do they have to beg? They’re being treated better than Ireland’s native homeless, i.e. they’re given great places to live in and more social security payments than anyone else.

People (naive do-gooders) call me racist when I complain about them. It’s these ‘bleeding hearts’ that fuck everything up for everybody. I mean, what sort of persecution are these Romanians fleeing from? Communism fell over 10 years ago, for Christs sake!

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 11:23

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Citizen Erased wrote:

That said, I’ve got a mate who’s a cop, and he says that (in the very rural area where he works), most of the asylum seekers generally work hard and kept themselves to themselves - they’re too scared to make much trouble because they’re worried about being deported however all the local idiots do very little all day except defraud the DSS and then spend all night getting drunk and fighting, whilst complaining about a bunch of hard working people ‘taking’ jobs that they’re too thick and lazy to do themselves.

Of course, I wouldn’t want to generalise too much - it’s a more complex issue than that, but a lot of immigrants are genuinely looking for an opportunity to improve themselves rather than sponge, and I suspect it’s only a few that give the whole a bad name (and who’s misdoings are exploited by a few shithead extremists over here).

You’re right to say that it is almost impossible to discuss the matter rationally in the UK at the moment though, which can’t be healthy.

Was thinking about Romania for holiday next year (get to go to Dracula’s castle) - will tell them that it’s much nicer there than here ;)

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 11:45

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Citizen Erased wrote:

donVutz wrote:

well, i had problems with some imigrants once who thought they own the town. almost became a fistfight before police came. and then my nice neighbours who keep calling me nazi and my girlfriend nazibitch aren’t that nice either, but then again, i had enough problems with skinheads and other idiots.
after all, i have no problem with immigrants, i just have a problem with assholes, no matter where they come from.

and the fact that everyone is willing to discuss this here is, I think, a good thing.

This is getting pretty heavy, could someone please say something stupid, and lighten the tone?

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 11:47

#21

Blonde Blade wrote:

That sounds like where i should come in! Being female and a one-time natural blonde, no-one expects me to say anything intelligent anyway… ;)

I agree though - it’s difficult to just lump all immigrants and asylum seekers together, because every situation is going to be different. If they come over here to work and not make trouble, then i can’t really see the problem with letting them come. Maybe we should even be grateful that we’ve got such a nice country that people would make such an effort to get over here.

If you really want me to say something stupid though, i could always suggest that we even things out by sending some people we don’t want over to their countries in return - Man Utd fans, Davina McCall, plus those lazy morons on the dole that were mentioned… that would be a good start! I’d happily put up with a few more immigrants if it meant we could get rid of them as a swap! :)

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 12:18

#22

lucifers Machine wrote:

yeah theres ducks that come to our local lake from canda and steal our irish ducks jobs , have i seen one with a passport NO!
its just not on , you dont see our ducks going over there,
send them all home political refugees my hairy hole

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 12:20

#23

Citizen Erased wrote:

Blonde Blade wrote:

That sounds like where i should come in! Being female and a one-time natural blonde, no-one expects me to say anything intelligent anyway… ;)

You mean all those things you’ve said over the past few months weren’t entirely serious? I feel so used…

Blonde Blade wrote:

If you really want me to say something stupid though, i could always suggest that we even things out by sending some people we don’t want over to their countries in return - Man Utd fans, Davina McCall, plus those lazy morons on the dole that were mentioned… that would be a good start! I’d happily put up with a few more immigrants if it meant we could get rid of them as a swap! :)

Have been on 4 different continents. Never failed to meet Man U fans there already. Very depressing.

Australia can have Jono Coleman back, if we can find a boat big enough to ship him there. And America should take back all it’s grey squirrels - stealing our red squirrel’s nuts! Disgraceful!

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 12:41

#24

donVutz wrote:

what about siamese cats? who needs those ugly beeings here? send them to china, political refugees or not.

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 16:18

#25

Citizen Erased wrote:

lucifers Machine wrote:

yeah theres ducks that come to our local lake from canda and steal our irish ducks jobs , have i seen one with a passport NO!
its just not on , you dont see our ducks going over there,
send them all home political refugees my hairy hole

Don’t they count as tourists? They’re only passing through.

Bit rude just to turn up somewhere, eat the food, have a good shit and then piss off again though.

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 16:20

#26

Citizen Erased wrote:

Nice in crispy pancakes though.

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 16:21

#27

lucifers Machine wrote:

hardly the point, theyre bloody foreigners, quick close the borders, hide the women folk! and hide the leatherwear! this is a local town for local wildfowl

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 19:47

#28

trigger wrote:

I do not have a fixed opinion on immigrants. I surely do not have a problem with people who have come to work because their country is poor (poorer than my country anyway). But many times the inrush of immigrants can also lead to an increase of criminality. And anyway, i do not like it when i walk in certain areas in my city and i hear a million other languages (arabic, albanian, polish, russian, pakistani and so on) except for mine. And i do not like that some neighbourhoods are now close to becoming a ghetto and people do not feel comfortable walking there anymore. Of course not all immigrants are responsible about this, for example noone has a problem with immigrants from Africa because these people are just minding their businesses and they do not harm anyone. But i do have a problem with albanians. These people stick at nothing. It is like they could kill you for 5 euros.
On the other hand, it is not very humane to use immigrants because they get paid a very small amount of money, and when you dont need them anymore to want to send them away. And generalizations can lead to very dangerous paths, like racism and violence. I think that the natives should be tolerant to immigrants but the immigrants should also respect the country in which they live and work, otherwise things can get out of hand.
I don’t know, this is a very complicated issue, and it also varies from place to place.

P.S. why is it that these past few months there will be either silly topics discussed or the few serious ones end up being a joke? I start to believe some people just can’t handle a serious discussion.

Posted on Thu, 28 November 2002 at 22:13

#29

Alan wrote:

It’s the same in Ireland - nobody has a problem with the Nigerians here, cos they seem to want to work and mind their own business.

Those Romanians are a different story altogether. I guess they’re pretty similar to Albanians.

Posted on Fri, 29 November 2002 at 08:37

#30

Sabotage wrote:

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P.S. why is it that these past few months there will be either silly topics discussed or the few serious ones end up being a joke? I start to believe some people just can’t handle a serious discussion.

I’ll have a go, but it’s just so much hard work over the net.
Face to face chat is WAY better for discussing stuff.
I try and have serious chats on other boards, but not many bother replying.
If ever I put my “Peace solution for the Middle East” up anywhere…it’s gone within hours. Deleted.

If you really want to read it, I’ll stick it in here. It’s not some huge 2000 word essay. Pretty basic stuff, but the idea is there. I’ve never heard a solution remotely like it before.
Do you want a read?
It’s Friday now, so I’ll try and get it up next week if you wanna read.
cheers

Posted on Fri, 29 November 2002 at 14:20

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