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Started by Viirkokka

Earlier today I was walking along the pavement up to town.. only about two people can fit on the pavement side by side as it’s quite narrow at the section I was at.

Anyway my 2 friends walked behind me so we were in single file to let other people coming towards us past. Due to there being a clump of them and me not paying much attention I didn’t see this one little guy.. who must’ve been about 14 or 15 (but looked about 8 or 10) and he tried to shoulder me out the way!

I didn’t take any notice ‘cause it didn’t hurt me.. probably hurt him more and people do it a lot. But he did try it to my friend too who just pushed him aside, as he’s quite a bit taller. My friend told him to fuck off for trying that and the kid started swearing at my friend too.

This kid was really mouthy.. was half my size.. a few years younger than me.

Why do kids seem so rude, mouthy, agressive.. like they desperately have something to prove to everybody. Is it just that our culture is changing so quickly that people are becoming increasingly violent and at younger ages?
Or is it that in the last 2 years i’ve grown to become a bit soft?

Just wondering what others opinions are?

Posted on Tue, 12 June 2007 at 15:27

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#1

mrs h wrote:

I think it’s because kids aren’t taught how to be sociable any more :( Adults are so terrified that their kids are going to be abducted or stabbed or mugged or whatever that they don’t let them play out - they’re all stuck inside watching violence on TV and playing on playstations - so when they are finally allowed out when they are older they hang around in gangs because they’ve been frightened to death of the outside world by their parents. Because they hang around in groups / gangs whatever then adults feel more nervous of them and so act aggressively to them and the kids respond the same way, with everyone being aggressive to each other to hide their nervousness. It’s f**king stupid is what it is :(

Posted on Tue, 12 June 2007 at 16:06

#2

Muskeg (Yes, It's me.) wrote:

death to all chavs :O

Posted on Tue, 12 June 2007 at 23:49

#3

ctrlaltdelete (chris) wrote:

you should have battered this kid.Until someone does, or until he gets a good kicking, he will continue to try this, impressing his little cronies.If you had of squared up, regardless of his age, he would have shit himself. If someone is being a cunt, 9 times out of 10 they dont know it until someone points it out.Wether that be a polite intervention or a good clout round the lug hole is up to your disgression.

A similar incident happened this to me. Theres a gang of manchester wannabes that have had a bit of beef with me and a few mates of mine.Last week after a lovely night out they thought they’d try and give me some shit, from a good 50 yards away I might add, so.. I had to intervene.Needless to say when I confronted the four of them they shit thmselves. You should read the chopper books.Nothing surprises your enemy more than confronting them first, with a bit of a psycho style attitude just to throw them, show them your not afraid.

BUT!

This is not a general rule.Especially with the rise in knife attacks at the moment.This is where your intervention disgression comes in.

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 00:29

#4

Viirkokka wrote:

Yeah the recent rise in knife crime is what stops me from wanting to get agressive. Although we live in a country area, there are still people who will carry knives, and I really don’t want to be on the receiving end of that.

Anyway next time I won’t let em get away with it :D :P

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 07:48

#5

Dennis wrote:

I think kids don’t have the respect that they once would have had.

This is generally speaking, of course. There have always been well-behaved and badly-behaved youths, I just think in general there is a nasty under-current of kids who have not learnt to respect other people and their property.

I think mrs h is right to say that parents shy away from socialising kids, and I think if you couple that with kids staying at home playing video games, watching TV etc etc, it only makes it worse.

Not that there is anything wrong with games and TV and rock music and all that, but I do think we have become too permissive in what we broadcast. It is a two-edged sword, because children are more aware of the world around them now than ever before, and exposing them to certain things can be beneficial…but it has to be backed up with parental guidance.

Very easy for me, as a non-parent, to blame parents, but I think they are also between a rock and a hard place. You can’t smack your kids, you can’t criticise them or belittle them, or insult them, you can’t let them become too competitive, in case they lose at a game and it damages their self-esteem, you can’t get on their backs about the food they eat in case they turn anorexic, you can’t feed them crap in case they get fat…You can’t let them play on the street in case they get abducted but you can’t wrap them up in cotton wool cos THAT’s wrong too…

Parenting…very very difficult job these days.

But yeah, shoot all chavs on sight may just work as a solution…

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 08:47

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mrs h wrote:

I know some kids with crap parents and some parents with crap kids. But parenting shouldn’t be difficult for most people - it’s common sense! If you want your kids to be polite then be polite to them. If you want them to respect others then show them some respect. If you want them to think conscientiously, then ask them what they think and why they think it, and explain how you reach your own decisions. I might be crap in many ways, but I am really, really proud of my kids - and any time there have been problems at least they have felt able to talk to me about them. Too many parents just expect kids to do as they are told without questioning anything, and to my mind that’s just as bad as letting them run wild.

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 09:11

#7

Dennis wrote:

No need for Super Nanny in YOUR house then!

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 09:27

#8

mrs h wrote:

Aaaaaaarrrrgggghhh!!!!!! Should be on ‘vent your spleen’ but my little F$£*&% of a son has deleted msn off MY computer and installed some other pile of poo and a google toolbar without even asking me!! :mad: :mad: I take it all back. Shoot the f**king lot of them! :mad:

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 09:28

#9

Dennis wrote:

tsk..

I blame the parents…

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 10:48

#10

Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

I don’t think it’s actually the responsibility of the parents as much as it used to be. I don’t mean that parents don’t or shouldn’t try just as much as ever to bring up their kids right, because they should, but that there are other influences which are gaining greater prominence in the upbringing of children.
Parents these days are having to try harder to get the same result as in days past, in my opinion.

Back in the day, kids would have their parents as their primary guides to the world, until their friends and peers gradually took on an increasingly important role.

But now, with the various media influences, the kids are being thrown in at the deep end, basically, without that safer place for nurture, AND the parents are often overreacting, and behaving how Smum said; keeping them in for the sake of ‘safety’. So their only recourse is to turn to the media, which aggravates the problem.

All in my opinion, of course.

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 11:07

#11

mr self destruct wrote:

A few months ago I “cuffed” a youth round the back of the head. Gave him a right shock. He even apologised.

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 12:28

#12

mrs h wrote:

apologising is quite amazing considering that the poor little f**ker probably hadn’t even done anything!! :p

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:06

#13

Dennis wrote:

Exactly! And the fact that I was drinking cider from a 2 litre plastic bottle outside the local Spa mini-supermarket at the time does not necessarily mean I am classed as a “youth.”

*nurses wound to back of head*

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:17

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mrs h wrote:

Misanthropologist wrote:

Parents these days are having to try harder to get the same result as in days past, in my opinion.

I think that’s true - and I think it’s largely due to too much rubbish on TV and terrible diets - which parents do need to take some responsibility for.

My nephew used to be a complete uncontrollable little monster until they stopped him having artificial colourings, and my younger daughter used to have screaming fits and repeatedly bang her head on the wall when she was a toddler - until we finally had her diagnosed as having an intolerance to cane sugar - which was in pretty much everything at the time :(

They’re both lovely now though :)

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:20

#15

mrs h wrote:

Dennis wrote:

Exactly! And the fact that I was drinking cider from a 2 litre plastic bottle outside the local Spa mini-supermarket at the time does not necessarily mean I am classed as a “youth.”

I bet you wish it did though!! :p

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:23

#16

Igor Belanov wrote:

I heard that you just used to feed your kids on houmous and donkey flakes…

So do you think if I stopped drinking tea it would control my violent aggression?

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:23

#17

Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

mrs h wrote:

I think that’s true

*worried*

Is this a trick? :eek:

*nervously backs out of the room* ;)

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:30

#18

mrs h wrote:

Well if I’m honest I did write

‘I think that’s true - but …’

I changed it to ‘and’ so you wouldn’t get all weird and defensive again! :p

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:41

#19

mrs h wrote:

Igor Belanov wrote:

So do you think if I stopped drinking tea it would control my violent aggression?

LOL - By violent aggression you mean the way you say ‘maybe’ instead of ‘yes’, don’t you? :p

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:42

#20

Cuchulain wrote:

As already posted by my good self on November 15 last year in the Vent Your Spleen-topic…

” Anyone between the ages of 13 and 20 living in Dublin.
Give me a right pain in me hole they do.
Think they know everything . Know fuck all.
With their shite music and there skinny jeans or (even worse) dodgy tracksuits.
IN MY DAY we had mods,rockers,punks,skins,goths,preppies etc.
Today they look like a homogenous pile of curry paste.”

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:54

#21

mrs h wrote:

Well back in MY day I thought YOUR lot all looked the same! Maybe. If I had half a clue how old you were :S

*goes off to have a look*

edit: bugger. foiled!! :D

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:57

#22

Dennis wrote:

mrs h wrote:

I bet you wish it did though!! :p

*nods solemly and grudgingly turns his baseball cap round so that the peak is now facing forwards*

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 14:59

#23

mrs h wrote:

*shakes head solemnly and replaces Dennis’ baseball cap with a bowler hat*

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 15:04

#24

Igor Belanov wrote:

mrs h wrote:

LOL - By violent aggression you mean the way you say ‘maybe’ instead of ‘yes’, don’t you? :p

Possibly…

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 15:07

#25

Dennis wrote:

mrs h wrote:

*shakes head solemnly and replaces Dennis’ baseball cap with a bowler hat*

Oooooh NAAAAAH man, tha’s ROUGH man, innit?

Whatchafink chew is DOOOOOin’, man?!

Got no repeck man, dissin’ me like that, innit?

*folds arms, gangsta-rap-stylee and sucks teeth*

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 15:09

#26

mrs h wrote:

Are you planning on taking over from Richard Madeley?

Oooh!! I could be Judy! :D

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 15:12

#27

Dennis wrote:

Could you really put up with the five hours in the make-up chair to get the full on fright-mask look?

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 15:15

#28

mrs h wrote:

That’s a dangerous question for someone who has no idea what I look like without 5 hours in the make-up chair :mad:

And yes, it would be worth it to see you making a complete tit of yourself every day … :p

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 15:24

#29

Dennis wrote:

It would be totally unnecessary - I manage to make a complete tit out of myself all day every day anyway, without pretending to be a twat pretending to be a one-joke character.

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 15:56

#30

mrs h wrote:

But we don’t get to SEE you do it. It’s just not te same. You should be on national TV. You’d be an icon! Just like the little buttons at the top of Internet Explorer :)

Posted on Wed, 13 June 2007 at 15:58

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