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Started by Dr. Bigjoint in General Therapy? Topics

What song were recorded by T?, but weren’t released on albums, singles and compilations.
There’s a list at http://www.suicidepact.com, but i suppose they recorded more songs than listed there.
I know there’s an instrumental “Valentine’s day”, which was recorded during the Shameless session (according to Jack Endino).
Probably you know something else. Or even have recordings ;)

Posted on Mon, 2 December 2002 at 08:48

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Alan wrote:

Well, I suppose you could mention “Reality” recorded in 1990 for the Dave Fanning Session. This was a very early version of Die Laughing.

Don’t forget “Pile Of Bricks” from the 1993 John Peel Session. Sascha, you know how much we’ve both been looking for that one! :-)

I remember one of fan-club letters (remember them?) in 1995 mentioned an untitled song that they were thinking of putting on the “Diane” single as an acoustic b-side, but they obviously went with acoustic songs from Troublegum and Infernal Love. But it means there is an original finished acoustic song that has never appeared on anything.

Posted on Tue, 17 December 2002 at 16:18

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millhouz wrote:

Title: Pile of Bricks

Hi,
could you send me that song?Never listen it…
JAN (jan.srbek@email.cz)

Posted on Tue, 17 December 2002 at 18:30

#3

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

Jan, I don’t think someone from the board has this song. I know guys who have the recording, but they don’t want to trade for some reasons.

Posted on Wed, 18 December 2002 at 08:11

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millhouz wrote:

Okay,thanx for info…
JAN

Posted on Wed, 18 December 2002 at 10:32

#5

Alan wrote:

Sascha, remember a while ago I mentioned a track called “The Sweeney”?

Well, I found out what this is - it was a new song played in April/May 1996 (it turns out I’ve actually seen this live ‘cos I was at the Dublin gig then)

A part of the song (about 30 seconds) was recorded at the Newport, Wales gig and shown on Dutch TV right before the Pinkpop ‘96 broadcast. I have this on video but never knew what it was.

The chorus of the song is repeated “This is my world baby, this is my fucking world!”. The song sounds very heavy, and I’d love to find a full version. Apparently, BBC radio recorded a gig in America in 1996 and broadcast some songs, incluing “The Sweeney”

I know some people have this recording but I think they’re gone from this board long ago…

Posted on Thu, 19 December 2002 at 15:46

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Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

Well Alan, I’m still here, aren’t I? :D

Here’s a small spoiler about the upcoming website (which is really coming sooner than later), ‘The Sweeney’ (from the BBC Radio 1 Evening Sessions) will be one of the downloadable tracks in the new sound clip section!

Posted on Thu, 19 December 2002 at 15:58

#7

Alan wrote:

Oh you have it too? Cool.

Can you tell me for definite if the lyrics I mentioned are in it? Just so I know for sure it’s the same song.

Posted on Thu, 19 December 2002 at 16:24

#8

Ronald wrote:

Nice one Rene…how’s your physical condition?

Posted on Thu, 19 December 2002 at 16:34

#9

Daniel wrote:

Wow that’s great news. I’m waiting patiently on the new site. :)

Posted on Thu, 19 December 2002 at 17:03

#10

scotdamn wrote:

Yeah!!!!

Posted on Fri, 20 December 2002 at 11:22

#11

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

Yepp, it would be really nice to get this song.

Posted on Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:41

#12

dano wrote:

I used to have a recording of “Lost Highway” from the Steve Lamaq sessions before semi detached was released, they were doing T? tracks all that week, but I only got that one recorded..and subsequently lost it again during a house move.

Posted on Mon, 23 December 2002 at 03:03

#13

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

When will they put ‘The Sweeney’ online? Does anyone has a clue?

Posted on Tue, 7 January 2003 at 17:12

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Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

I’m sorry for getting back in this thread this late!

Alan - no, actually the lyrics you’ve mentioned are not in the song that I have that is supposed to be ‘The Sweeney’, and I’m quite sure it is. So I’m guessing you mean another song..?

Ronald - It’s getting better, slowly but surely. Thanks!

dano - ‘Lost Highway’ will also be on the new site.. But that’s the last song I’m revealing that will be available for download on the new site ;-)

Dr. Bigjoint - ‘They’ (being me :-)) will put the songs online on the new site, which is getting closer and closer to being finished. I’m hoping to announce a definite launch date soon, depending on my recovery.

Posted on Tue, 7 January 2003 at 22:08

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Alan wrote:

Teethgrinder wrote:

I’m sorry for getting back in this thread this late!

Alan - no, actually the lyrics you’ve mentioned are not in the song that I have that is supposed to be ‘The Sweeney’, and I’m quite sure it is. So I’m guessing you mean another song..?

D’oh! I guess I’ll never know now what that song is (unless of course they changed the lyrics?) Hmm, I guess I’ll just wait and see.

Looking forward to it!

Posted on Wed, 8 January 2003 at 08:46

#16

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

I remember there was a recording of Gimme Therapy from Session North Ireland at this site in mp3-format. What version it was? A studio version or a live-in-studio-version?

Posted on Fri, 10 January 2003 at 12:54

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Alex wrote:

With reference to the lyrics for The Sweeney and Alan’s version not being the same as Rene’s…

Is it possible that The Sweeney is the same as “New Song in D” as played at the fan club gigs beginning 1996? I can’t quite rememeber how I made that link, and it may be wrong. But if correct that would attribute two sets of lyrics to this song:

“This is my world, [baby], this is my fucking world”
and
“I’m gonna kill your mother, I’m gonna kill your father, and blame it on you”.

This song may also have been announced as “I Like Cock”, but maybe not.

Ahem.

Posted on Thu, 6 February 2003 at 11:53

#18

Alan wrote:

Ahem, indeed :-)

Yeah, “New Song In D” and “New Song 2” were both played at those fan-club gigs and early USA tour gigs.

I have a bootleg of the Kansas gig, and “New Song 2” is an early version of “Black Eye Purple Sky”.

“New Song In D” definately has the lyrics ‘this is my fucking world’, and by all accounts has the lyrics ‘gonna kill your mother, kill your father’

I always thought that this song ended up as “The Sweeney”. My guess is they’re the same song, but the lyrics changed a lot.

But that’s only a guess.

Posted on Thu, 6 February 2003 at 12:01

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Alan wrote:

Alex,

Been to your site and noticed the new song that Michael announced as “I Like Cock” (a joke, one would think!?), at the 18/5/96 gig, is probably the “New Song 2” which turned out to be “Black Eye Purple Sky.”

I have a bootleg of Kansas 14/5/96 and they didn’t play “New Song In D”, but they did play “New Song 2”

So here’s what I think:
New Song In D = The Sweeney
New Song 2/I Like Cock = Black Eye Purple Sky

Damn these 2 songs for causing so much grief. Can’t wait to hear Rene’s version of The Sweeney - just to put my mind to rest, if nothing else!!

Posted on Fri, 7 February 2003 at 09:25

#20

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

I guess Rene will Launch the site by the date of the release :)

Posted on Fri, 7 February 2003 at 11:28

#21

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

On my recording of the “New Song 2” Michael called this song “I worship…”, but i couldn’t recognise the last word.

Posted on Mon, 10 February 2003 at 08:11

#22

Alex wrote:

… Cock ?!!

Posted on Mon, 10 February 2003 at 12:25

#23

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

Well, i’ll try to listen to it next time and say exctly what did he say.

Posted on Mon, 10 February 2003 at 13:15

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RobbyVDH wrote:

alex2 wrote:

“This is my world, [baby], this is my fucking world”

Ahem.

I have a part if this song on video: it was used as an introduction on TV when Therapy? played at Pinkpop in 1996…

Posted on Mon, 10 February 2003 at 19:27

#25

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

Michael said “I worship cock”, i guess.

Posted on Tue, 11 February 2003 at 07:15

#26

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

The chorus is something like “Everything she knows… Is it gonna be the same…”.

Posted on Tue, 11 February 2003 at 11:49

#27

Alan wrote:

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

The chorus is something like “Everything she knows… Is it gonna be the same…”.

Yep, that’s the early version of “Black Eye Purple Sky”

Posted on Tue, 11 February 2003 at 15:59

#28

Teethgrinder (René Fennema) Administrator wrote:

I asked Michael and Andy about the lyrics “This is my world, this is my fucking world” and this is what Andy told me about it:

“as regards the ‘this is my world..’ this was indeed an early musical version of joey but the lyrics were completely different and there was some cello on it.

it was played as long ago as 1996, in fact when we played it on tour in Seattle in 1996 at the Crocodile Cafe(owned by peter buck from r.e.m.’s wife) peter buck himself who was in the audience claimed that it was his favourite song in the set! something to do with the opening lyrics which originally went..”i want to fuck my mum, i want to fuck my dad”!

a big thank you again to all the therapy? fans who have been putting smiles on our faces all week. keep up the good work, you’re the best.”

So, there you have it, it’s an early version of Joey!

Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 14:02

#29

Dr. Bigjoint wrote:

Thanks Rene!!!
Probably you can ask about “Glen Miller” ;)

Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 14:06

#30

Alex wrote:

Glen Miller “There is a demo of it somewhere from the Infernal Love sessions. It’s pretty shite if truth be told. It was just a poppy riff and chorus I was messing about with and the producer, Al Clay, liked it, so we recorded a version of it with the band. It doesn’t really sound like Therapy? and the chorus goes something like, “this is the loneliest place in the world”. It’s actually a bit m.o.r.! I haven’t got a version of it myself and if you ever see it, unless you collect absolutely everything, I would suggest giving it a wide berth. It truly is awful.”—Andy Cairns

Does no-one read my website?

Posted on Tue, 22 April 2003 at 15:46

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