#31
mr self destruct wrote:
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:24
#32
mrs h wrote:
Ta! :)
@Dennis - do you remember the Ian Curtis ‘Spitting Image’ puppet? :D It really f**ked me off at the time because I just thought it was nasty, but I’ve got over it now :)
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:31
#33
Dennis wrote:
No I don’t…I doubt at the time I’d have known who Ian Curtis was. In fact I used to love the programme but probably didn’t get a good half of the jokes…
I DO remember The Day Today doing an MTV spoof, and there was a clip of a skeleton in a noose that said “Hi, I’m Ian Curtis…”
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:33
#34
mrs h wrote:
Bless :)
That’s pretty much what Spitting Image did. I guess they couldn’t do much else - but it did annoy me at the time. it’s one thing taking the mick out of living politicians but dead musicians is a different thing altogether :mad:
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:43
#35
Igor Belanov wrote:
mrs h wrote:
It turns out it was just because they didn’t have a clue what they were doing.
It wasn’t JUST for that reason. One of the best things about Factory was that it encouraged the artistic side in the broadest sense, even when it inhibited profits.
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:46 in reply to an earlier post
Last edited by Teethgrinder on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:01 (Corrected use of quotes)
#36
Dennis wrote:
i think even the blackest sense of humour would struggle to find much to laugh about on the topic of suicide.
But, you know, nice puppets and that…
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:46
#37
Igor Belanov wrote:
Yes, I should think that more people know who Ian Curtis was now than did in the mid-1980’s.
I’m not sure whether this says something about the lack of awareness back then or that music is currently so poor.
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:48
#38
Dennis wrote:
Agreed, but on the other hand it probably also says more about the music I was into when I was 10 than it does about Curtis’ place in rock history, to be honest!
Now, if there had been a Bucks Fizz skit or a Shakin Stevens puppet…
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:51
#39
Igor Belanov wrote:
Making fun of Bucks Fizz would have been far too easy…
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 12:58
#40
mrs h wrote:
@ Igor - maybe not after the first one, but initially it was for exactly that reason. Also what sort of business people would design a sleeve for a single that cost so much that they actually lost money with every single sale? That’s what happened with Blue Monday (I got both versions of that, I bet loads of people did) and New Order were supposed to be saving Factory from going bust. Barking, the lot of them.
@Dennis - and a beautiful hand-woven noose :)
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:04
#41
Igor Belanov wrote:
The whole point is that they didn’t see themselves as business people. That’s why Factory crashed in the long-term but why they created some much in the first place. They’d never have made the impact they did if they’d acted like a conformist corporate record label.
Anyway, if you bought two copies of Blue Monday then it’s YOU that’s responsible for bankrupting Factory Records. I hope you can live with yourself.
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:33
#42
mrs h wrote:
And they could have done everything exactly the same but been more sensible with the money and they would still be around today. They’d probably still be going if they just hadn’t opened the Hacienda.
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:39
#43
Dennis wrote:
they didn’t see themselves as businessmen, no, but not because they had these great idealogical standards to live up to: it was cos they were fucking clueless!
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:41
#44
Igor Belanov wrote:
If they’d been more sensible with the money they wouldn’t have done everything exactly the same, surely!
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:41
#45
mrs h wrote:
And I didn’t buy either of them :p
I was trying to choose between 2 blokes at the time, and they both knew I loved the record so they both rushed out and bought me it in a hormone driven frenzy. So I got the 7” and the 12”. Those were the days! :D
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:41
#46
Dennis wrote:
*bets the guy who gave you 12” won out in the end*
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:42
#47
mrs h wrote:
Dennis wrote:
they didn’t see themselves as businessmen, no, but not because they had these great idealogical standards to live up to: it was cos they were fucking clueless!
Exactly. :)
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:42 in reply to an earlier post
#48
mrs h wrote:
Dennis wrote:
*bets the guy who gave you 12” won out in the end*
I ended up going out with one of them for 6 weeks and then dumping him in favour of the other one - so in a sense they were both winners :)
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:44 in reply to an earlier post
#49
Dennis wrote:
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:45
#50
mrs h wrote:
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 13:49
#51
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
@Mum - which blokes were these? :-/
I read this a couple of weeks ago in t’Guardian. An interview with Ian Curtis’ daughter about the making of the film. Interesting stuff :)
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 14:39
#52
Dennis wrote:
very interesting article by wossname curtis (Natalie? you’d think I’d remember, I only just read the damn thing!). Actually quite a moving read.
Makes me wonder how right/ wrong it is to sit there and watch someone else’s life for “entertainment”, for want of a better word. Is it rubbernecking? Is it intruding? Is it paying respect or being disrespectful?
hmmmm.
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 15:13
#53
mr self destruct wrote:
The bloke who plays Ian Curtis is some feller from a band in Leeds, seems like a bit of a tit.
Posted on Fri, 12 October 2007 at 19:55
#54
mrs h wrote:
hoochalobster wrote:
@Mum - which blokes were these? :-/
I’m not naming names on here, but one was the guy you call ‘dad’ and the other was the guy who ended up serving 4 years for armed robbery. I guess I made the right choice in the end! :)
Posted on Sun, 14 October 2007 at 10:52 in reply to an earlier post
#55
fatboy wrote:
I remember reading that article when it was published. I kept going back to it and reading it repeatly.
Posted on Sun, 14 October 2007 at 13:27
#56
Igor Belanov wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Makes me wonder how right/ wrong it is to sit there and watch someone else’s life for “entertainment”
Well, basically the film is based on the book by Deborah Curtis, so clearly she didn’t object to their lives being in the public eye. I imagine she’s found it quite cathartic and it has allowed her to give her side of events. I think the film has reflected this and that it is a good thing- it attempts to show things as they were, warts and all, and should help to refute any myths that have been created around Ian Curtis and Joy Division. It is difficult when you’re portraying real-life events to give full consideration for the feelings of others who were involved, but Ian Curtis and Joy Division have acquired a historical significance and I think that means they’re always going to be subject to attention. And in the case of ‘Control’, I think they’ve dealt with the subject quite well.
Posted on Mon, 15 October 2007 at 07:34 in reply to an earlier post
Last edited by Teethgrinder on Mon, 15 October 2007 at 07:45 (Corrected use of quotes)
#57
Cuchulain wrote:
Saw the movie over the weekend and I think it’s excellent. Sam Riley puts down a very good Ian Curtis.
Heard the movie gets bad critics in the States , but then again what do they know about good taste ?
When the movie was launched in the USA , Peter Hook was allegedly asked to reform JD and do a once-off gig for it , but replied that the last time he checked their frontman and subject of the movie was dead.
Also bought the DVD from The Future Is Unwritten over the weekend , it’s just out here. That and Control made my weekend a pleasant one.
Posted on Tue, 16 October 2007 at 09:40
#58
Dennis wrote:
@ Igor. Probably best the Americans leave the whole story alone. Can you imagine if Oliver Stone or someone like that had remade the JD tale for Hollywood?!
“Ian…?!”
“Yes dear…?”
“You’re…HALLELUJAH! YOU’RE ALIVE!”
“Yes, I just came back to say…I’m sorry and I love you!”
*Mid-paced Nickelback song begins, just in time for the credits to begin and the impatient little shit with the litter-collecting-box-thing-on-a-stick starts hovering in that “you gonna fuck off now or what?” manner they have. Don’t you know sometimes there’s a little bit at the end after the credits?! And I WANNA KNOW WHO STARRED AS SECOND MAN IN T-SHIRT IN THE CAFE SCENE SO SCREW YOU, YOU LITTLE TWERP*
Ahem. Sorry. The bit after “Nickelback song begins” was my own fault, not Oliver Stone’s.
Posted on Tue, 16 October 2007 at 11:09
#59
Cuchulain wrote:
Dennis , man , your lively imagination keeps amazing me.
There should be a job somewhere out there to make you filthy rich using your gifts to their full potential.
Posted on Tue, 16 October 2007 at 11:57
#60
Dennis wrote:
thank you.
I can only hope you are right.
Mind, I hope for lots of things and so far both Nicole Kidman AND Kylie failed to turn up at the hotel on the day of my wedding and interject at the “does anyone know of any lawful impedement blah blah blah” bit AND Cadbury’s have yet to get back to me on that business about golden tickets and leaving the factory to me and grandpa joe, so that’s where hoping gets ME, huh? *sulks*
Posted on Tue, 16 October 2007 at 12:04
