#31
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
effect wrote:
Misanthropologist Personal vision and commercial success are linked in that they’re related to being in a band and can affect each other
I’m not saying they’re not, only that - as you’ve said in the post above this one - that you’re being too black and white about the distinction. :)
Re: the ‘school’ aspect: I can’t comment on this ‘Rock School’, but at my school one of the subjects I was taught was English, but that never once restricted my ability to speak or write about the things that are important to me. I would hope quite the opposite. Would a musician compromise their integrity if they paid for music lessons, or read a ‘how to play’ book? I would say not, though you might disagree.
Posted on Tue, 13 November 2007 at 15:57 in reply to an earlier post
#32
effect (effect) wrote:
Misanthropologist Im not sure if you’re committing to any of your points but I respect your defense of M McK
Would you defend the idea of TV musical talent shows or Rock school Tv if MMcK or T? weren’t involved?
As I said I am black and white on this, thats not a bad thing no splinters on my arse.
This is a Rock school TV show you cant compare it to a normal school or somebody studying music for themselves it’s primarily a TV show and competition (Popstars/ search for a star/Eurovision)
I think you can understand the concept of a Rock school TV show even if you haven’t seen it, (fame academy but with rock) I’m interested to simply know do you think it;s a good idea to support such a concept or is it unfair to question MMcK’S Judgment on this?
Posted on Tue, 13 November 2007 at 16:34
#33
deadsetgav wrote:
I guess what the guy does is his own business at the end of the day. If it pays the bills then fair play to the chap.
I haven’t seen the show but if all he is doing is offering his opinion then I can’t see where the problem would be. The guy seems pretty down to earth, so cant personally see him assuming some kind of false persona like Cowell (in Cowells case its probably not that false - the smarmy cunt)
If anything - He probably has more to offer than the mainstream tv show judges - at least he’s been there and done it and has a wealth of experience, what ever nuggets of advice he doles out at least will have some ounce of credability - whats fucking Cowell given us? Sinita and Robson & fucking Jerome?
just my 2 cents…
Posted on Tue, 13 November 2007 at 17:27
#34
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
effect wrote:
Misanthropologist Im not sure if you’re committing to any of your points but I respect your defense of M McK
In that my point is that judging (or taking part in) a competition doesn’t automatically strip you of personal integrity simply as a matter of fact, then yes, I’m committing to my point.
On the other hand:
effect wrote:
Would you defend the idea of TV musical talent shows or Rock school Tv if MMcK or T? weren’t involved?
No, but then I’m not actually defending tv talent shows or rock school tv with Michael involved. The issue was whether it somehow affected T?’s integrity to be involved.
effect wrote:
This is a Rock school TV show you cant compare it to a normal school or somebody studying music for themselves it’s primarily a TV show and competition (Popstars/ search for a star/Eurovision)
I can and I will. :p Seriously, I believe my point still holds.
effect wrote:
I think you can understand the concept of a Rock school TV show even if you haven’t seen it, (fame academy but with rock) I’m interested to simply know do you think it;s a good idea to support such a concept or is it unfair to question MMcK’S Judgment on this?
Oh, question, by all means. It’s always fair to question something you think is wrong. Just like I have with your posts. ;)
Posted on Tue, 13 November 2007 at 18:29 in reply to an earlier post
Last edited by hoochalobster on Tue, 13 November 2007 at 18:57 (Corrected use of quotes)
#35
effect (effect) wrote:
I’m not personally criticizing MMcK and Misanthropoligist I’m not trying to have a competition to prove I’m right
To me you’re not answering my question just saying I;m wrong and you’re right because you said so…just forget about ego for a second imagine I’m a just robot puzzling the idea:
I think he’s decision to involve himself with the above concepts/ormats(TV Rock school/talent show Pop idolect) is a mistake because it’s surely counter to what T? are about,
because Tv talent shows/Rocks schools are…( mention before)… and so on(fame Acamady/ Pop Idol.
Does anybody see a point or fairness to this criticism?
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 04:01
#36
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
Erm, I didn’t say you were having a competition to prove you were right. If you think something is wrong, you’re allowed to say so. :) as am I. ;)
Lol, ok, well, Your robot would say
Let S = involvement with the rock school format
Let P = ‘what T? are all about’
and let Q = Michael
You’re saying ‘if Q and S Then not-P’
But
I’m saying that ‘Not-P doesn’t follow from Q and S’ There’s simply no inherent inconsistency with having P, Q, AND S, simultaneously. That’s not a matter of ego, it’s simply that i don’t believe that the two are mutually exclusive, which is exactly what I’ve been saying all along.
You say that I’m just saying I’m right and you’re wrong because I said so, but you haven’t shown that I’m wrong to say that two concepts aren’t mutually exclusive.
Putting aside the robot, I understand what you’re saying, and why you believe it, and I think if it’s something you believe, then you’re welcome to say it on the board, and hear other people’s thoughts (I’m not trying to beat you down, by any means). But I also happen to think you’re wrong to take it as given that Michael’s involvement with this show is bad for T?. And I think you’re wrong for the simple reason that I’ve given. :)
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 11:04
#37
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
*sneaks back in when everyone’s gone, and takes robot*
*giggles*
*runs off*
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 11:06
#38
fatboy wrote:
I’m probably sitting on a fence on this one, though no doubt my arse would have broken that fence by now.
Michael was probably picked out for the panal as he has an understanding of rock music. Though I have never seen the programme in question, I take it this is very much like the ‘Rock School’ shows that I once watched when I was 13. I doubt that he has a favourite nor does he hate an act that doesn’t appeal to him. Not biased in other words. He could well like a hip hop band over any rock band on the show for all I know.
But I do see this format rearing its head on the mainstream somehow. There’s bound to be a market in the mainstream, even if its all for credibility reasons, and not on regional television. Shame that MTV’s Battle For Ozzfest didn’t get the audience it should have or have something like that for this country and around Europe, seeing if people/bands are really cut out for a career in the music industry. We all know that the X Factor is a gloss, bullying show where the muppets are controled, so why not have something that shows that if people want it, they work for it.
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 11:11
#39
mrs h wrote:
effect wrote:
I pay tribute to those bands that ‘died on their asses’ or died with their hands untied. There are plenty of bands still out there like that.(ones that I have heard of because the are amazing and passionate not because they’re famous, as you seem to imply that I or anyone have only heard of bands that have broken through or that are famous).
I didn’t mean to imply that at all. I just meant that for every band that anyone has ever heard of there are hundreds of bands out there that nobody knows, or are only known in their local area. My daughter’s band only ever play in the north, but since they appeared on TV they have had people from all over the place asking whether they will be playing in their town at any point. I’m positive that is entirely down to having had that bit of national exposure, which is what the bands in this Rock School thing will get. It doesn’t alter what they stand for or the creative aspects of being in the band in any way - it’s just a bit of publicity. It’s cheesy, yes, but it’s also a win win situation.
I can’t answer your main question about T?s involvement. It’s not that I don’t understand the point you are making, I just don’t think it’s anyone’s business but Michael’s.
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 11:31 in reply to an earlier post
#40
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
We have a right to pry!
*grumbles* Oh, ok. :(
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 11:33
#41
Shade wrote:
effect wrote:
I think the concept of the show is that simple. Shade I’m interested to know why you don’t think I’m being too critical.
It is? The’re many reasons for participating. One doesn’t necessarily have to put priority on playing what the crowd wants to hear, and maybe, just maybe the judges aren’t looking for a good popband but some new artistic expression. It’s always going to be subjective, yes.. but such is the fate of all art. Doesn’t mean youngsters who get offered chances for an art gallery exposition (like, the 10 best in class) are sellouts. The only thing this show differentiates from having a gig, in this aspect, is that it’s more of a game with an entertainment emphasis. If a band can ignore the game aspect (and, say, just play what they want) it shouldn’t even be that different for them.
As for why you aren’t too critical, well, I think it’s okay to put questionmarks behind someone’s activities who’s music means something to you. If Andy decided to blow up a hospital it’s okay to ask too. It’s just that in this case I don’t think what you’re pointing out damages Michael’s artistic integrity at all and what follows is, frankly, a bit crass a judgment.
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 12:04 in reply to an earlier post
#42
Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:
I think Michael, more than any of us, knows how hard it is to get by in the Music Industry today. Sure the Internet (MySpace etc) can help build a fan base and spread your music but without the backing of a major label it’s hard to make end meet and pay all the band members a wage they can live comfortably off.
Michael’s seen an opportunity here to help a band ‘make it’, the fact he’s putting his experience forward and judging the entries is a good thing I think. There are far too many shows that make celebrities of individuals and forget that there are bands out there that produce music as a whole, and are probably working really hard to do so.
I’m not saying that I enjoy these shows that make stars out of people, but f there has to be one I’d rather it helped bands that actually play instruments – fair play to Michael for helping some of these bands to have a chance of making something
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 12:22
#43
hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 12:42
#44
mrs h wrote:
LOL - Motley Crue!! :D
*falls over laughing*
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 12:47
#45
Dennis wrote:
I take it all back, Effect was right.
Word of advice, you useless glam twats, BUY SOME CLEARASIL.
If this isn’t some kind of elaborate hoax, then I am burning my Therapy? CD’s at midnight tonight.
*sobs uncontrollably*
That Cairns chap would never have done this to us!
:(
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 13:00
#46
Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:
To be fair they’re tight and have a good sound, and Michaels right they do put a smile on your face. Not my cup of tea though - I hope you won’t be burning your collection Dennis
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 13:23
#47
Dennis wrote:
I AM burning my collection. Onto back up CD. LOL
:D
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 13:31
#48
mr self destruct wrote:
Wow, talk about a complete lack of originality…if “Nice ‘n’ Sleezy” are the future then the rock music scene must be in big trouble!
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 13:53
#49
Taunty Dan wrote:
Dennis wrote:
I AM burning my collection. Onto back up CD. LOL
:D
*Tries really really hard to force out a false laugh, hell, even a smile, to cover Den’s comedy misstep*…
*fails*
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 13:58 in reply to an earlier post
#50
Dennis wrote:
Twas a truly awful “comedy misstep” for which I am deeply sorry.
But please let it not overshadow the absolutely shocking shiteness of the winners of this Rock School thingumajig.
Mind, I have seen worse Motley Crue-inspired bands…
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 15:27
#51
mr self destruct wrote:
If it had been an 80s glam rock tribute band competition then I would have said fair play to the boys!
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 15:43
#52
Viirkokka wrote:
I don’t like the singer. At all. He sounds like he’s putting so much effort in. Too much.
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 16:50
#53
Dennis wrote:
Exactamundo. Bit hard to be an 80’s Sunset Strip rock band when it’s not the 80’s and you’re from Enniskillen.
Surely surely surely someone from Enniskillen has more to express and more to say than “Yay BAAAAABY I shagged a stripper tonight, COME OOOOOOOON YYYYYUUUUUUURRRRR!”
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 17:04
#54
deadsetgav wrote:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
Posted on Wed, 14 November 2007 at 17:50
Hopes for new album