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Started by kungfu bugaloo (benjamin stewart)

bit of a trippy intro and outro, and it is two hours long wich might seem abit long but it all resoves in the here and now and if you give it your time and attention you will feel different from watching it - (skip forward to about 10 minutes if you dont want to watch the intro)
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Posted on Wed, 27 February 2008 at 20:43

Last edited by hoochalobster on Thu, 28 February 2008 at 14:32 (Correction requested by poster)

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kungfu bugaloo’s post on Thu, 28 February 2008 at 13:47 was deleted by hoochalobster (Message to moderator)

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

Two hours? |-I I’ll watch it over the weekend.

(Did you find your Rushmore DVD btw? I brought it back for you.)

Posted on Thu, 28 February 2008 at 14:37

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mr self destruct wrote:

What’s it about?

Posted on Thu, 28 February 2008 at 18:07

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zipless wrote:

Zeitgeist, maybe? But hey, I could be wrong.

Posted on Thu, 28 February 2008 at 18:18

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mr self destruct wrote:

Very helpful, thanks.

Posted on Thu, 28 February 2008 at 18:19

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zipless wrote:

Welcome!

Posted on Thu, 28 February 2008 at 18:21

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

Just watched the first half an hour, fascinating stuff, if a little patronising (“Fish. FISH. FISHermen..” do you see?! heheh).

*goes for tea break*

Posted on Thu, 28 February 2008 at 22:39

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mrs h wrote:

mr self destruct wrote:

What’s it about?

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/statement.htm

I’ll have to watch it one evening when the sun isn’t in my eyes. Looks interesting though - I would think it would be right up your street Sammy :)

Posted on Sat, 1 March 2008 at 12:20 in reply to an earlier post

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mr self destruct wrote:

I did read that description but it’s fairly vague…I’ll give it a watch though as it does sound like the kind of shit I enjoy.

Posted on Sat, 1 March 2008 at 12:27

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mrs h wrote:

Ben was watching it the other day and I was listening from the other room - it does sound very thought provoking :)

Posted on Sat, 1 March 2008 at 12:41

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wyrd wrote:

I downloaded yesterday, I’ll try to watch it tomorrow!

Posted on Sat, 1 March 2008 at 14:39

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

I’ve watched the first three parts, it’s one big fecking conspiracy :s

Posted on Sat, 1 March 2008 at 16:16

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mr self destruct wrote:

That documentary was brilliant - exactly the kind of shit I’m into! If you like this sort of stuff then you should check out Alex Jones, Mr Bugaloo. It’s alright to download his stuff off a torrents site - you are helping to spread the truth, after all ;)

Posted on Sat, 1 March 2008 at 21:49

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

I didn’t hear this mentioned in Zeitgeist :o

http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/

Posted on Fri, 7 March 2008 at 16:40

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wyrd wrote:

I’ve watched, and I found it really interesting! Especially the first part, the one about religion! I’m atheist, and I will remain atheist for the rest of my life!

Posted on Fri, 7 March 2008 at 18:03

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mr self destruct wrote:

Are you a fan of Richard Dawkins, wyrd?

Posted on Fri, 7 March 2008 at 19:59

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wyrd wrote:

In fact I just discovered who R. Dawkins is thanks to Wikipedia, and, as far as what’s written there is correct, I agree with what he says! (moreover, he’s a friend of Douglas Adams, who’s great!!!!!) :-)
And I didn’t know that there exists the Atheist Alliance International…

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 09:44

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mr self destruct wrote:

I really recommend you check out Dawkins’ book The God Delusion - great stuff!

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 14:57

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mrs h wrote:

Douglas Adams was truly great, and did loads and loads of wildlife and eco-warrior type stuff as well as being a genius, but he’s dead.

And as Sam and I have already argued the toss about Richard Dawkins and his book in the ‘Richard Dawkin’s book’ thread I shall stay out of it. Except to say that I agree with some of what he says, but he’s about as emotionally intelligent as Hitler and he comes across like a complete tosser on live TV. He’s completely incapable, as far as I can tell, of drawing a line between doctrine, faith and extremism and… aaarrrggghhh. I’m getting all tense again :mad:

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 16:57

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mrs h wrote:

“Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where’s the harm? September 11th changed all that. Revealed faith is not harmless nonsense, it can be lethally dangerous nonsense. Dangerous because it gives people unshakeable confidence in their own righteousness. Dangerous because it gives them false courage to kill themselves, which automatically removes normal barriers to killing others. Dangerous because it teaches enmity to others labelled only by a difference of inherited tradition. And dangerous because we have all bought into a weird respect, which uniquely protects religion from normal criticism. Let’s now stop being so damned respectful” Richard Dawkins.

What a pile of scaremongering divisive bollocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 17:01

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mr self destruct wrote:

“A pile of scaremongering divisive bollocks” - you couldn’t have given a better description of religion, mrs h :p

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 17:21

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mrs h wrote:

I see where you are coming from, but you know that’s not really true. If you take all the extremists and zealots out of the equation (which you have to because they are entirely outside of and separate to the normal practice of any religion) then what are you left with? You can bang on all you like about ‘catholics and protestants’ - but that isn’t any different to ‘blacks and whites’, ‘straights and gays’, ‘mods and rockers’, ‘us’ and ‘them’ … It’s just people. Religion hasn’t made them into freaks. Divisiveness is wrong, but it’s got fuck all to do with religion - it’s to do with human nature. And you are doing it yourself right now - attempting (or appearing to - sorry if I’m wrong) to rationalise an intellectual divide between atheists and people with religions. And that is really my last word on the subject. Probably ;)

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 17:41

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mr self destruct wrote:

There’s not much point in us debating it, mrs h, because we’ve been there and neither of us is going to change the other’s mind. You’re an atheistic religious excuser and sympathiser and I’m an antitheist, and so it shall always be… :p

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 17:50

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mr self destruct wrote:

And “mods and rockers”…nice contemporary reference there mrs h :)

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 17:52

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mrs h wrote:

I’m bloody well not a “religious excuser and sympathiser”, I’m just not a fascist :p

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 20:17

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mr self destruct wrote:

Fascists are often religious - George Bush for example. You should have said communist, they were violently athiest.

I reckon you’re a closet believer, mrs h - why don’t you just admit it to yourself, no need to be ashamed :D

Posted on Sat, 8 March 2008 at 20:59

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mrs h wrote:

Fascists are often white - George Bush for example.
Fascists are often male - George Bush for example.
Fascists are often of average height and build - George Bush for example…

If you didn’t throw meaningless and statistically irrelevant points into your text your argument would be a lot more more convincing :p

It does interest me that you take such exception to the practice of religion when you wouldn’t dream of arguing so passionately against other aspects of civil liberties. I think it’s because you believe that religious people are stupid for not recognising an unprovable truth. I agree completely that scientific evidence all points at there being no God, and that common sense tells us that there is no God, and that instinct tells us that there is no God, but you can’t prove it, and the faith argument is always going to come back at you. And there are so many aspects of spirituality that science hasn’t even touched on, and so many aspects of science that quantum mechanics are throwing into doubt even amongst scientists. It’s like me trying to prove to you that there is no such thing as ZXCVBNM in outer space. You can only have a sensible and worthwhile argument about anything when both (or all) parties are using language consistently and attributing the same meanings to things and that you have a shared understanding of the concepts. You are never ever going to be able to persuade people with true faith in God that he/she/it doesn’t exist, and for that reason I suggest your time might be better spent learning to live with it!

Posted on Sun, 9 March 2008 at 11:23

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mr self destruct wrote:

I think the fundamental difference is that you believe religion to be benign, I don’t. I don’t think it’s possible to simply assert that division is caused by “human nature” until all the divisive and enslaving human-made systems have been stripped away. Then we can see how humans really behave, what human nature really is. These systems (religion, money slavery etc.) were not democratically voted into being by worldwide concensus, they were invented by a few people (to further their own self-interests) and have somehow come to dominate the planet, even though they are encouraging humans to destroy the planet and each other. I’ve had enough of these discussions mrs h, we both come out of them sounding like pompous arses :p

Posted on Sun, 9 March 2008 at 13:02

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