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Started by winston01 (Arjan >) in Chit-Chat

Yesterday eve i watched the anton korbijn movie about joy division.
It was trully a masterpiece ,very well done. It might have been a bit longer

Did anyone see it? and did you like it ?

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 09:05

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mr self destruct wrote:

Control is an excellent film. I’ve just ordered the DVD which has recently been released.

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 09:49

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mrs h wrote:

I still haven’t seen it yet. I did read an interesting review a while back from someone who was passionate about Joy Division at the time and lived in Manchester, and he said that although it was a great film it did gloss over some of the things that made Ian Curtis unique. He said that he felt that they had sort of ‘added him to the list’ of tortured souls by using a rather cliched “fame fortune breakdown” formula that applies to countless acts, rather than separating him out and focusing on the specific individual problems and characteristics that made him who he was. I don’t know whether there’s any truth in that though - as I say, i haven’t seen it yet.

Isn’t there already a control thread?

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 10:29

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mrs h wrote:

I just read that back and it didn’t sound right. The guy was saying that IC was his hero and he didn’t want to see his life made comparable in any way to that of other tortured souls. He wasn’t knocking the film.

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 10:33

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winston01 (Arjan >) wrote:

I can agree with you a bit, my first impression was that it was a bit short.
It left me with the feeling that there was soo much more to be told that was really significant to his live.\
Maybe the budget was a bit too low. and he had to cut it short.
I

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 12:19

#5

Gimme Back My Brainsaw (I would set Myself On Fire For You) wrote:

Well it was based on ghis wifes book, and he left her very bitter, so i wouldnt belive everything in the film as its from her point of view.

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 13:01

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fatboy wrote:

I enjoyed the film, and since I had read Touching From A Distance, I knew what to expect from the film. This was Anton’s first film, and its a classic.

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 14:12

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winston01 (Arjan >) wrote:

I liked the black and white setup. gives it a grim setting. and makes it look much like a movie that could have been made in that time.
Korbijn is a genius. But again the movie seems short , like a part is missing.

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 14:39

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interzone (What's up sucker !!!) wrote:

By the way, did you notice that Anton Corbijn (with a letter C instead of a K if we talk about the same one) took infernal love jacket pictures ?

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 15:10

#9

deadsetgav wrote:

He did a couple of Depeche Mode & Metallica vids too

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 16:21

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Gimme Back My Brainsaw (I would set Myself On Fire For You) wrote:

One thing that put me off about this film was that im used to Steve Coogan playing Tony.

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 16:35

#11

Taunty Dan wrote:

the one thing that put ME off the film is that ian curtis was a completely overrated godawful useless cunt. Sorry, i’ve tried many a time over the years to find something in the music of joy division and the lyrics of Cuntis but to no avail. Soz, like.

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 16:59

#12

Gimme Back My Brainsaw (I would set Myself On Fire For You) wrote:

i bet your one of these new order fans i’ve heard so much about

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 17:02

#13

Taunty Dan wrote:

and DON’T even start me on New fucking Order!! :p

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 17:07

#14

mr self destruct wrote:

Taunty Dan wrote:

ian curtis was a completely overrated godawful useless cunt

Harsh!

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 20:43 in reply to an earlier post

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Taunty Dan wrote:

true. :)

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 20:57

#16

Dennis wrote:

Taunty Dan wrote:

and DON’T even start me on New fucking Order!! :p

*shakes head in disbelief*..Mate, I agree with you about Joy Division (one of the most name-dropped bands in terms of “influences” yet I have never heard a single band that sounds like them. Fortunately.) but…You’re missing out if you haven’t succombed to the joys of “Technique”

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 21:12 in reply to an earlier post

#17

Taunty Dan wrote:

again, i’ve tried. Just don’t see it son. Although i will admit that “love vigilantes” is a bit of a corker.

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 21:17

#18

Dennis wrote:

Fuck…If I can’t convince you with New Order, I am fucked if I’m gonna get the Echobelly “Best of” I bought at the weekend past you, eh…?

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 21:18

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Taunty Dan wrote:

echobelly are ok!

Posted on Sun, 30 March 2008 at 21:24

#20

deadsetgav wrote:

Dennis wrote:

*shakes head in disbelief*..Mate, I agree with you about Joy Division (one of the most name-dropped bands in terms of “influences” yet I have never heard a single band that sounds like them. Fortunately.)

He says, posting on a forum of a band that covered one of their songs on their biggest album… ;)

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 07:12 in reply to an earlier post

#21

Dennis wrote:

Yes but Therapy? sound nothing like Joy Division. I have heard plenty of covers of their songs but that’s not the same thing.

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 08:35

#22

mr self destruct wrote:

Andy’s vocals actually remind me of Ian Curtis at certain points during Infernal Love

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 11:06

#23

Dennis wrote:

*sells his copy of Infernal Love*

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 11:09

#24

deadsetgav wrote:

mr self destruct wrote:

Andy’s vocals actually remind me of Ian Curtis at certain points during Infernal Love

Andy’s vocals actually remind me of Ian Curtis at certain points during Isolation…

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 11:24 in reply to an earlier post

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fatboy wrote:

I can hear the influences in Andy’s voice - Henry Rollins on early T? release, Tom Waits on God Kicks, James Hetfield, Bob Mould, but can’r trace Ian Curtis at all.

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 15:33

#26

mr self destruct wrote:

I hear it in Bowels Of Love for example

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 16:05

#27

mrs h wrote:

deadsetgav wrote:

Andy’s vocals actually remind me of Ian Curtis at certain points during Isolation…

I’m not going to get involved except to say that when it comes to a choice between Joy Division and Therapy? … Well suffice it to say that I think T? covering Isolation was brave but daft. It doesn’t begin to compare with the original, not least because there’s no real passion in it. That’s not a criticism of T? - I don’t think anyone could do that song justice. Say what you like about Ian Curtis he really felt every word he ever sang. And so did I :(

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 18:38 in reply to an earlier post

#28

Taunty Dan wrote:

well lets just be grateful he wasn’t here long enough to feel many words. Hmmm…Rocket form the crypt’s “on a rope” has just entered my head…

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 18:50

#29

fatboy wrote:

Ian wrote the lyrics to Isolation as a personal matter, as was most of Closer.

Hand on heart, prefer T?’s version, as there better tracks on Closer that.

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 22:14

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interzone (What's up sucker !!!) wrote:

Hi Fatboy , have you ever watched this isolation cover http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww_FGETwjIM . I personnally like it . I always thought it’s well-maked since I heard it for the first time, or else both version you talk about are played with different way . As T?’s one is closer to punk-metal as Joy Division ‘s one is rather their own style, I grew up with that anyway. Maybe during Troublegum process, original Isolation lyrics met some of Andy’s particular state of mind, then T? ‘s played it as wo all know.

Posted on Mon, 31 March 2008 at 23:18

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