#31
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
@ Kill_hill - that would be the biggest anti climax ever, and it would possibly cause me to not stop laughing for days.
The show isnt meant to be based in realism, seeds are planted for the fantasy elements throughout the second series, so its not the case of them recently deciding “why bother with reality?”
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 13:35
#32
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
First series i mean not second
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 13:35
#33
Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:
didn’t realise they were gone down the fantasy route, pity.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 13:44
#34
butters (mikey) wrote:
uummm, programmes based in reality tend to be called documentaries or reality tv. anything else is pretty much considered fiction. i dont seem to remember anyone trying to argue that lost is a documentary or reality tv, and i didnt think there would be anyone naive enough as to think that…but, well, now you know, it is fictional serial tv show
for any serial tv show a pilot is always required, nobody has claimed it was any different for lost. not all pilots are shown to test audiences. the pilot for lost was made and after seeing the pilot the network commissioned 3 seasons…not one, because they thought the show was going to bomb.
your right about one thing though, lost does bring in a lot of money. a hell of a lot. they could probably milk it for another 5…6…maybe 7 seasons. and if it was ‘all about the money’ they probably would milk it.
but its not. then end date for the show has been set and theyve started windingdown the show toward that date…funnily enough, its been set for the end of the originally planned story arc [imagine that]
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:03
#35
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
someone reads too much lostpedia…
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:05
#36
butters (mikey) wrote:
lol
you probably wouldnt find any of that on lostpedia. most of it is from reuteurs and other news websites.
i guess theyve been sucked into the ‘lost PR machine’
its a conspiracy…ITS A CONSPIRACY
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:16
#37
Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:
you’re a sucker butters, ‘story arc’ hahaha. you know what i was saying when i mentioned was it based in reality, why not throw in a banana god or a tooth fairy. Of course its all about the money, do you think they are making this for the good of man kind? If it was ment to be 5 seasions long then why did the commission 3? If people thought it was shit it would’t have got passed the 1st series and it would some how have been all rapped up in one episode. They have to give an end date for the show to keep people on side, would you keep watching it if they said there was going to be 5 more years of it? Of course not, it would go against the arc theory.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:18
#38
butters (mikey) wrote:
yes. theres no such thing as story arcs, pre production, running plotlines and so on
they all turn up there on the day and just wing it.
they dont even have scripts.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:41
#39
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
far from it, at gcse we spent ages learning about character and storyline development, aint done any of it on my btech yet think that comes in next year, not my favorite thing in all honnesty.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:43
#40
Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:
Hang on a minute, no scripts…
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:49
#41
Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:
so Dallas had a story arc did it, as with Prison Break, as with every tv series that lasts for years. thats what writers are for Butters, they write stories. What happened in Dallas when they wrote them selves into a hole? you got yer man man in the shower. What happens when Lost get stuck for ideas, you get a moveable island. Prison Break? they get stuck in a prison, again, i expect they’ll end up in Mountjoy some time soon.
Story arc me ring! When did the non reality element enter into Lost?
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:50
#42
Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:
Hang on a minute, he’s not mentioning Dallas or any other gay fucking show - he merely said that the creators of lost had a game plan which thy write the story around - what’s so hard to beleive about that?
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 14:52
#43
Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:
eh ya it is. I’m not knocking Lost its a good show and i enjoy it when i watch it but if you atre telling me that this story arc was planned from the beginning then, well i don’t believe you or the creators. come on! the element of fantasy has just allowed them to go come up with ever more elabrate story lines for the folks at home and to keep the cash cow juiced up. Dallas, gay! No way, now you are talkin crazy
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:00
#44
butters (mikey) wrote:
well, i dont quite know much about what happened in dallas.
my knowledge of prison break is pretty limited…but you know the way the dude gets imprisoned in the first epsiode of season 1 and then in the last epsiode him and his mates break out of prison…and all the stuff that happens inbetween leading up to them breaking out of prison…well thats whats called a story arc.
unless your goig to try and argue that they came up with an idea for a show called prison break where a guy gets put in prison in the first episode, but the writers had no idea that the guy was going to eventually break out of prison
i think the non-reality element of lost was pretty much made clear in the first episode with the whole ‘monster in the jungle’ thing
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:08
#45
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
the point your missing is right from the start it had the fantasy elements, or at least the seeds were planted for them.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:08
#46
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
that was directed at kill hill
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:10
#47
Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:
shit example butters.
Would you believe there is a story arc for this thread? Or are we making this up as we go along?
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:21
#48
butters (mikey) wrote:
how is it a shit example when it completely proves the point you arguing against.
was that not the story arc for season 1?
who said anything about story arc’s for discussion threads?
now thats a shit point
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:24
#49
Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:
now i didn’t see much of the 1st series so i was unaware of the fantasy/bollox element. Was there actual fantasy in the 1st series or was it just a hint at something, eg a noise from the jungle to me says there is something in the jungle, but i wouldn’t have guessed it was a smoke monster thing, that may or may not be the soul of the island.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:26
#50
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
this is getting retarted.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:27
#51
butters (mikey) wrote:
well, when you actually got to see the smoke monster in the first series it kinda suggested it was more than ‘a noise from the jungle’
then theres the polar bear in episode 3/4
plus the fact that locke was in a wheelchair before the plane crash and the could walk on the island [again, set up in the start of season 1]
i could go on and name a few more elements of fantasy that were set up in the first season, but i dont really need to since you cant back up any of arguments with fact
it would be a bit silly to reveal every aspect and element of the story in the first episode or even the first season
thats what story arcs are for
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:33
#52
Dermot (The Derm) wrote:
I’m willing to reserve final judgement on this until the last episode has aired. As I said in the original Lost thread, originally I only caught the odd episode, but I tended to enjoy it. It was only about 6 months ago that I became a “serious” fan – watched seasons one and two in full in a matter of days on Virgin On Demand, then watched Season 3 via LOVEfilm.
I have to say I enjoyed this show the most when they were just a bunch of plane crash survivors all trying to get off an island… it’s got a lot more diffuse than that now. Maybe it’s just because I have to wait a week between each episode nowadays.
I think the writers would have had the basic story mapped out from the start, but they would obviously make alterations as they go. For example, the writers admitted on Sky One on Sunday that they had a contingency plan for Ben – if he wasn’t a great actor, or viewers didn’t respond well to him, then they’d bump him off. Also, they got rid of Anna Lucia, Mr Echo, and other characters because the actors who played them got into trouble with authorities on location in Hawaii (mainly for drink driving). I think Jin was “bumped off” for the same reason. That means the writers couldn’t entirely have the plot written beforehand. But If you want to see how much thought goes into network TV episodes in the USA, read the blog below:
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/1406/1/
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:36
#53
butters (mikey) wrote:
lol…i should have known it would have been soprano related
did you know they just made the soprano’s up as they went along, just turned up for shooting in the morning and said ‘so, what will we do today’
thats how tv is made.
it is you know
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:43
#54
Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:
What you are saying is that the story arc for Lost was planned from the beginning, that everything was written years ago. What I am saying that it is made up as they go along, ie not written years in advance. Prison Break is a prime example of this. Are you seriously telling me that they had 5 years worth of a story line for Lost?
You really shouldn’t take my ‘made up as they go’ that seriously Butters or should you take Lost so seriously, its tv, a means of passing time. See what Dermot said there, its not cast in stone, it can change as it goes. If people lost interest tomorrow the writers would write a different ending.
Suppose you’ll tell me next that the writer of the Sapranos knew years in advance what was going to happen to Tony and Co in the end, like fuck he did.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 15:55
#55
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
Basically the creators wrote a basic storyline arc, then the writers have to incoporate the grand storyline into the episodes their given, writers will also add their own minor storylines, stuff can change as well based on circumstance.
but a great deal of planning has gone into lost.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 16:05
#56
Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:
basic wasnt the right word, they create an overall arc for the whole run of the show rather
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 16:15
#57
butters (mikey) wrote:
Kill_Hill wrote:
What you are saying is that the story arc for Lost was planned from the beginning, that everything was written years ago.
now your just conradicting yourself
did i say the story arc was planned from the beginning or did i say that everythng was written years ago…
theyre both two different things.
what i said was that the storyline arc was planned from the start, an arc that would encompass 5 seasons with a large number of the elements and mythology already decided upon
i didnt say every line had been written
i didnt say every sub plot had been decided
i didnt say every death had been decided
trying to say ‘see there what dermot wrote…’ doesnt exactly back your point up either, your ing very selective there about what your quoting, if you read the beginning of that paragraph youll notice that he also said he thought the basic story had been mapped out from the start
one minute your saying ‘they made it up as they go along’ [and youve actually said it about 3 or 4 times now]
and then your saying ‘you shouldnt take that seriously
well, to be frank, i cant take anything youve said that seriousy since you havent actually been able to formulate an argument to back any of it up
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 16:26 in reply to an earlier post
#58
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
As far as Prison Break is concerned, I know that they had always planned for it to be two seasons, and then made a third because it proved so successful. They had a story arc that lasted for two seasons, and they had that planned right from the start. THEN they extended the idea for another season, and so the stuff in season three wasn’t planned before the start of season one. But they planned for two seasons, even not knowing if it was going to be successful.
I doubt the writers of Lost planned for exactly six seasons, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t know what was going on right from the start. To be fair, it doesn’t mean that they did either, and I’m personally undecided on just how much they knew in advance.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 19:15
#59
butters (mikey) wrote:
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 19:18
#60
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
Not what again? I was agreeing with you. Up to a point.
Posted on Wed, 4 June 2008 at 19:20
