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Started by Kill_Hill (Brendan)

How do fellow europeans. So whats the feed back from other countries about Ireland rejecting the treaty? Is it getting much, if any news time?

Posted on Fri, 13 June 2008 at 19:20

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#1

mr self destruct wrote:

I don’t know what this country thinks but personally I think it’s brilliant. Check out a recent radio interview with Jim Corr (the man one out of the Corrs - Irish pop group with three foxy sisters - of all people) if you don’t know why ;)

Posted on Fri, 13 June 2008 at 19:23

#2

mr self destruct wrote:

And yes actually, now I remember it was on the main news over here.

Posted on Fri, 13 June 2008 at 19:24

#3

Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:

ya i heard a bit of that, it was on today fm, who would have though that behind the axe lay such a deep thinker. think he’s been smokin too much skunk, everyone was after him.

I voted no my self. The EU has done a hell of a lot for Ireland i have to say but we are heading towards a federal state if you ask me so fuck that. Only down side to voting no is that i was on the side of Sinn Fein (scum), Libartas (a group that came from no where and were set up by a guy who has dealings with the american military and the US don’t want to see Europe get too strong military wise so go figure), CURA (pro life fuck wits who said voting yes would force Ireland to allow abortions in Ireland, which is plane bollox) and some other eejits who thought a yes vote would mean their children would be conscripted into a EU army.

Ireland was the only country of the 27 to give a vote to the people, why? First off its in our Constitution and secondly many other countries would vote no.

Posted on Fri, 13 June 2008 at 19:37

#4

mr self destruct wrote:

Jim’s done his research, he actually had a lot of supporters after what he said but you didn’t get to hear about them in the mainstream media ;)

Posted on Fri, 13 June 2008 at 20:03

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Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:

have you got a link? i tend to tune out when those feckers start to speak.

Posted on Fri, 13 June 2008 at 20:29

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marja (sinner) wrote:

it was an itme on the news, but in the same breath they added the possibilities to pass the treaty without the “yes” from ireland

Posted on Fri, 13 June 2008 at 20:58

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mr self destruct wrote:

Kill_Hill wrote:

have you got a link? i tend to tune out when those feckers start to speak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPfszpqq2o4

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 07:17 in reply to an earlier post

#8

deadsetgav wrote:

So whats the UK stance on the Lisbon Treaty? have we signed up?

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 09:12

#9

deadsetgav wrote:

Oh yeah, we bent over and took it…

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 09:20

#10

mr self destruct wrote:

Brown is all for it…the treaty is supposed to be scrapped if not every member country is in agreement, so the Irish No vote should theoretically be the end of it…however our leaders are corrupt and will probably try and keep trying to get it through until they are successful:

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/june2008/061308_ram_through.htm

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 09:23

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Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:

mr self destruct wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPfszpqq2o4

Jim did his research. wouldn’t agree with everything he said but he made his points well.

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 10:13 in reply to an earlier post

#12

mr self destruct wrote:

You’re right to keep an open mind - which parts did you not agree with?

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 10:40

#13

Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:

I can agree that in time some people would like to see us push towards a united world/market. I don’t agree with the Twin Towers being packed with explosives and it being a US/Bush government led operation. I think a plane few into them which caused them to come down. I’ve looked into it, not as much as your self, but I’m happy with my decision on that but I’m always open to new info. Its just hard to believe some of the information out there, if i wanted to make it look like SPG from the Young Ones planned and carried out the attacks I could probably make the possible links if i so wished, so i have trouble believing the more supposedly far fetched theories.

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 11:27

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KJC Dublin (Karl) wrote:

I also voted no.

The whole thing stank and I find it funny that they are now trying to pass it without Irelands vote. I was sick and tired of listening to so called experts telling us that we had no other option than to vote yes (Hello? Democracy?), especially that French prick. Had the French people been allowed to vote properly, they would have also rejected it again (as would the Dutch). Yes, Europe has been very good to Ireland but that does not mean that we have to accept anything that they throw at us.

I did however like the crime fighting and environmental aspects of the treaty.

Just out of curiousity, did anyone understand the bloody leaflet that explained everything in “the easiest way possible”?

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 11:36

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Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:

Didn’t actually open it! its hear beside me all wrapped up and unopened, may have a look at it later! Just didn’t like the sound of it. Hated being told that you have to vote yes because the EU have given us so much, that just bollox. Ya there was some good aspects in the treaty but it was all wrapped up in complicated toss.

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 11:43

#16

mr self destruct wrote:

Kill_Hill wrote:

I’ve looked into it, not as much as your self, but I’m happy with my decision on that but I’m always open to new info.

Check out Loose Change if you haven’t already seen it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q … 2AK9nbj5Dg

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 12:10 in reply to an earlier post

#17

mr self destruct wrote:

And this short one from Italian TV about Building 7 is excellent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 12:13

#18

Dermot (The Derm) wrote:

I think it was a great result. Especially as all the main parties were trying to bully people into voting “yes” when some of them haven’t even read the thing

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 12:27

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Kyle Bovine (K B) wrote:

Yeah I’m glad we voted no. problem is our vote will be ignored throughout Europe, and I do not think the Irish will get ‘a better deal’ which was one of the main arguments of the No side. I also hated the fact that many TDs and campaigners on both sides were indulging in childish tactics such as systematically calling the other side liars and accusing them of spouting rubbish. both sides were bullied in a way I have never seen before, but I am glad it was rejected.

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 15:19

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mrs h wrote:

I had to laugh at a news report yesterday - they interviewed an elderly Irish lady who had voted no, and when they asked her why she said it was because the Europeans would only allow each family to have 2 children. When asked if she really believed that she said “yes, my sister told me and she’s very religious”!! :D

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 15:51

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Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:

haha that sounds like Ireland alright

Posted on Sat, 14 June 2008 at 22:54

#22

marja (sinner) wrote:

There was a short item about it in the sunday news program here in belgium, and nobody is really shocked that ireland voted no, they were expecting it, but thy said ireland will organise a second referendum later this year, and they’re convinced ireland will say Yes. So the treaty is absolutely not burried. The european commisionar that was on the show even said it was very stupid from ireland to vote no because it will be the only memeber state that voted this way by the end of the year, so they will become isolated. We’ll see what will happen.

Posted on Sun, 15 June 2008 at 20:14

#23

Kill_Hill (Brendan) wrote:

What a dick. I love the fact we are getting slagged off for voting no when we are the only country that had a vote on it. I’m sure a few other countries would have given it the boot also. Ya we may have another lash at it and it will probably be passed, a good chunk of people voted no because they hadn’t got a clue what it was about

Posted on Sun, 15 June 2008 at 21:51

#24

KJC Dublin (Karl) wrote:

The Dutch and the French both also said “No” initially, then were bullied into accepting a second, slightly tarted up, reworded addition. For this reason alone I find all the “shock” reactions from Europe fucking funny.

The criticism in the Irish population for simply exercising its democratic right really makes me want to join our European brothers right now - hell, why not let them make all of our decisions without us having any say any more.

Little man dressed in brown once tried to rule the same way…

Posted on Mon, 16 June 2008 at 06:55

#25

marja (sinner) wrote:

the main criticism that commisioner had was that everybody who was against something (wether it was the european union, abortus, foreigners,…) just jumped on the NO-wagon, confusing everybody about what this referendum was really about. Ah well, I have no clue what it is about, but my government descided for me that I agree :-)

Posted on Mon, 16 June 2008 at 07:13

#26

Viirkokka wrote:

Being an English person, why have I not even heard of this despite being quite tuned into the news?

Posted on Mon, 16 June 2008 at 08:26

#27

Alan wrote:

I agree with KJC, if the EU truly was a democracy then they should accept the Irish ‘No’ vote with grace and move towards a solution. Is it saying something that the only country whose people were allowed to vote (‘cos it’s in the Irish constitution that we must vote on all matters; a hangover from being occupied without rights for 800 years) voted no? The EU dictators simply think we should go fuck ourselves ‘cos we’re only a small nation.

Being bullied into saying ‘Yes’ isn’t the answer - if it does go to another vote next year or whenever, it will be rejected by an even bigger margin. Bullying and threats of sanctions is not the way to get a ‘Yes’ vote from us. In the first place, if they had treated us with respect and said “look, you lose out here and there, but the gains are this…” then the Treaty may have been passed. But they treated us like submissive little kids and they got their reward!

Not that I’m political, like. :-)

Posted on Mon, 16 June 2008 at 09:02

#28

marja (sinner) wrote:

I think the No campaign relied on confusing the masses as much as possible, dragging in every single argument (from religious to political to rascism) to make it as complicated as possible. So what it was really about was completely forgotten. That’s the picture we get painted over here.

If there was a simple explenation done like you said alan, I’m pretty sure there would have been a ‘yes’.

Posted on Mon, 16 June 2008 at 10:14

#29

mr self destruct wrote:

The Lisbon Treaty has a clause which would allow the EU-wide reintroduction of the death penalty in the event of “war, riots, upheaval”…think about the implications of that!

Posted on Mon, 16 June 2008 at 10:29

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mr self destruct wrote:

Posted on Mon, 16 June 2008 at 10:37

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