Wall of Mouths

Politicians try to spread us to thinly but we don’ believe them anymore. That’s over. All people don’t care about French football team, fuck them. Our business is somewhere else. That European comunity is 27 countries that they don’t live with equivalent economical level. Compare irish, german, dutch, french, swedish economical level with slovakian, romanian or polish ones ! By the way do you know that polish workers coming working in France don’t find a place to live, then they sleep outside on pavements. They have salary thought they can’t live here so they go back home.
Another example, some of relocating factories, enterprises to Romania are agree to keep their employees but with 100€ per month as salary. Seriously, they make fun of us don’t they ?
We just want to manage already our own problems. I hope my opinion has been clear enough. Smells very closed Riot here.

You are sounding more naive with every post Viirkokka - I’m looking forward to your next gem!

I’v no problem with tough prison sentences. Its the killing/murdering bit I would have trouble with. They say you get more right wing as you grow older, watch your self Jordan!

Wouldn’t surprise me if they just fixed the results if they got their way and forced a second referendum…such are out leaders contempt of democracy.

:D

They snuck ours through, though didn’t they? Tiny tiny piece in the paper this morning - “UK accepts Lisbon treaty, queen to sign off tonight”

I never even knew she was signing on! :D

it’s very strange, more I read you more I think you talk about death penalty. Is death penalty the main argument with which your governments try to sell you the Lisbon treaty ? In France they’ve never talken about death penalty , they’ve just use and are still using employment, money arguments which ones will be better for our national open market economy. But that’s wrong. Living in France is harder and harder. Most of people knows more and more problems, money difficulties. Day after day some enterprises close out themselves or relocate themselves careless for workers and families.
Once Sarkozy has put a referendum about his “mini-treaty”. We all massively voted NO. Guess, Him and his government took economical reforms that we voted against to. Here, we highly tell now he is the little king in his kingdom. He despises french worker people and more for jobless, He lets dying homless by hungry or by cold on every winter. He talks a lot as a crook he is anyway. He disregards democracy. I notice most of your government disregard democracy. They just use any accurate enough arguments that ones are adapted for every particular mind of each countries we live in. I personnaly think that opened borders are a good thing, EURO money as european unique money is really easy (without speculation and bull operations).

I think if the Irish people are asked to vote again on basically the same thing then the No vote will win by even more

Ci? wrote:

…we were told: you don;t need to understand it…vote yes! …

I can’t believe that. Your government dared to tell you these despising arroganced words.

Kill_Hill wrote:

Don’t know about that, if it was explained properly …

That is the expected quantum of a political suggestion. (They really think that we are puppets… how do you tell in english ” bande de connards” ? )

interzone wrote:

it’s very strange, more I read you more I think you talk about death penalty. Is death penalty the main argument with which your governments try to sell you the Lisbon treaty ? .

Our government hasn’t tried to sell it to us at all - they haven’t talked about it and there was no referendum, they just said yes! If Ireland had voted yes, the UK public would probably never have heard of the treaty in the first place.

The death penalty stuff was just the main reason that we were saying we would have voted “no” if we had a choice. We wouldn’t care what the rest of the treaty said because we wouldn’t agree to that.

mrs h wrote:

There isn’t a simple answer to that, everyone is an individual and some things shouldn’t down to law. That’s why we have teams of professional people who work with prisoners and who decide what is the best way to help them. Just like we do for children in care, teenage mothers and drug addicts. There shouldn’t be a fixed number of times that you try - it should be down to experienced people to make the decision as to whether it is feasible to offer second chances. But in general I would say that the worse the person’s problems the harder you should try.

I’m sorry for tugging on everyones rags I think i’ve been a bit misunderstood though. I DO agree with rehabilitation and reeducation to get people out of poverty or drug traps but I was mostly wondering what would be done with people when they have attempt after attempt to help them but they reject it. Naturally there is some point when people would give up trying to help someone, for instance spending £1m ridding someone of drugs is a lot of money that could be used to improve multiple peoples lifestyles or chunks of society. I was just wondering what comes after that for that person..?

I want to make clear I DON’T ADVOCATE capital punishment being thrown around and admittedly my first two posts were not meant to be serious but then felt it’d be interesting to pursue the topic. However, would it be wrong to put a mass murderer such as a terrorist to death?
(That is; avoiding any conspiracies that they are actually an innocent person who’se been framed, i.e; they’re guilty.)

I against the death penalty full stop. I don’t think you can pick and choose who is more guilty and deserves to die.

Spending 1 million on ridding some one of drugs sounds a tad steep to me. If they keep reoffending there will be a point where the courts will decide that this person has no intention of getting clean and they will stay in prison of the term of their sentence, you don’t lock them up forever its just the way it is.

What we are seeing is “tiptoe totalitarianism”…on the postive side though, as least people are waking up to the corrupt elite’s schemes

interzone wrote:

I agree here is what happens everyday in France since Sarkozy took highest political powers. Total disregarding.

I think Sarkozy seems dodgy as fuck. He seems to be some kind of businessman and celebrity as well as a politician, which is not good. I would class him with Blair and Berlusconi.

mr self destruct wrote:

As soon as I hear someone advocating the death penalty my natural reaction is to expect them to be ill-informed on other subjects as well.

tut-tut you shouldn’t jump to assumptions. to assume makes an ass out of u & me.

I say bring back capital punishment… 3 strikes and we George Foreman your ass.