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#61

msd wrote:

I didn’t say the people decided, I said the opposite, the people definitely don’t decide ;) I’m suggesting it’s the elite who decides who’s going to win. The mainstream media definitely plays its role in manipulating the public but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter how successful the manipulation is, as the political and financial elite control the results of the election.

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 21:31

#62

g (Does everything start with destruction?) wrote:

to be honest i reckon the votes arent rigged, but the public are manipulated into going a certain way through the media.

and people who dont believe in brainwashing and that people could be so sinister and shit like that, look to history, in nazi germany the people were brainwashed through iconography certain wording and diddnt know what was going on.

that was only 60 years ago.

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 21:46

#63

CS (Colin S) wrote:

mrs. h lived through that…

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 21:48

#64

msd wrote:

Yeah - or research “MK Ultra” - CIA mind control experiments in the 50s and 60s. All fact proven by declassified government documents

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 21:49

#65

g (Does everything start with destruction?) wrote:

thats why when i visit my mums i dont drink the tap water as it contains fluroide up there and god knows what else

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 22:07

#66

g (Does everything start with destruction?) wrote:

wait a minute, just looking up that mkultra thing and the name rockafellas come up.

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 22:08

#67

interzone (incubus seeking succuba) wrote:

@opal_mantra

‘In goth we trust ’ should be good too.

Here in France we call religion ‘the opium of people’. Politics manage to keep our secularness even though they can use it to get more and more increasing opinions. In spite this easiness they don’t (sigh).

In short, Obama started out his mandate thanking god. Is that a change for the better ?

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 23:08 in reply to an earlier post

Last edited by Teethgrinder on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 23:15 (Corrected use of quotes)

#68

opal_mantra (Holly) wrote:

@interzone

i’ve been to france many times and know that not everyone calls religion ‘the opium of people’

and my statement before wasn’t anything to do with obama and religion..it was simply stating that a possible, and very unwanted,assasination attempt could possibly, not will be.. possibly say it was what god told him… merely because that seems to be the done thing with killers who are caught over there..

the fact obama said ‘thank god’ is merely because of the way he and most other americans are brought up with religion..making religion apart of everydaylife… mixing it with politics over there..again part of every day life…

the electing of a black president was a huge change.. renouncing religion is one i don’t think they’ll ever change…

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 23:25

#69

FNYANKEZ wrote:

I was proud to see that the fact he was black really wasn’t really an issue (at least with anyone I know, or that I heard), other than in the historical first aspect.
Foreign Policy should take a turn for the better. Little worried about Russia moving those missles into Poland though.

That being said.
I just hope he turns into more of a Clinton than a Carter. All three are coming in under similar circumstances…bad economy,
‘cause some of the Dems spending ideas scare the hell out of me…especially with the economy in the shitter as it it.

Carter was nice, people liked him but he took a sketchy economy and made it worse (17% inflation)…and other than the Egypt Isreal peace talks (which were great at the time, but unfortunately didn’t last) he was a laughing stock foreign policy wise. As a result, he was booted as quicly as possible, and his former VP tried to run, he got one of the most Historical beatdowns. Basically he left the country worse off than when he got there.

Clinton had a generally liberal preference on things (big taxes and government health care) , but when the country balked and put in the Repubs in congress.. he was smart enough to see when other ideas were better for the country (balanced budget, low capital gains taxes, free trade etc). Socially slightly liberal, but fiscally moderate. And he left with things going great (until 9/11 anyways)

If O’Bama ends up a zealot we’ll be in for a long four years. But if he’s pragmatic and moderate..he could make it a great 8.

Of course I’m of the opinion no one party should have total control..it only leads to trouble. They start thinking they have carte blance to go nuts.
When Clinton was in office and Newt ran the House, they kept each other in check. Clinton kept any crazy social agendas from getting pushed through, and Congress kept spending under control.

But once the Republicans had it all (and no Newt and others to keep them in check), they went nuts..and got booted. Just like the Democratic congress 1992-1994. When Clinton first got in office they thought they could do whatever they wanted…that lasted 2 years. If the Dems aren’t careful history can repeat itself.

The change will be good for a while, but we need to keep them honest.
Someday I’ll get my national movement “No Encumbents!” rolling.
Since congress will never put in term limits, or outlaw PAC money, you need to keep them honest. Only way to do that..vote ‘em out!
Get that rolling for a few election cycles and you’d see REAL change in DC.

Being from the DC area, I know that yes we have a change now, but for the most part it will be just a change in who’s getting the favors. The faces change but the business is the same.
I know it sounds cynical, but in my life the only good times have been when the government got the hell out of our lives…so I’m a little worried when I have to look forward to bigger government (it’s 10 times as big as it was under Clinton as it is). I can’t help but see the irony when people say with one sentence “We want more liberty” and then in the next “We can rely on the government for…”
To me Government Health Care and Retirement is just as insideous as the Patriot Act. All on the surface promise more security of one kind or the other (financial versus physical), but both result in the government in your life/ or force you to rely on the government way more than I’m comfortable with.

It’s just as easy for a government to manipulate you by threatening to take away something you rely on, as it is to threaten someone with an action.

I don’t know…we’ll see. I’ll take my usual “expect the worst…hope for the best” attitude.

The one I’m most interested to watch is my new Senator Mark Warner. I voted for him because he was an excellent Governor who worked both sides of the fense for the good of the state. But if he comes out an becomes another partisan hack, I’ll never trust another politician…and just vote to ensure gridlock..if they can’t pass anything, they can’t fuck things up.

Well that’s my last political rant.
Thank god the elections over, and decisively so no Florida or Ohio BS… and Bush is gone.

Posted on Wed, 5 November 2008 at 23:55

#70

interzone (incubus seeking succuba) wrote:

@opal_mantra

I already knew all what you told me. Good for you if you’ve been many times here in France, and I tell you again that nobody won’t annoy you up with religion. Obsiouly we have our fanatics as many as yours. Did you well understand the meaning of opium of people ? Religion should be a personnal affaire, nothing more. Using religious arguments all time makes me annoyed a bit, you know. We maybe should tell to those who use that that god perhaps doesn’t exist… Obviously the electing of a black man is a real progress for people as racist as they are. But you know Obama doesn’t want to stop the war in Iraq. Just move US troops to Afghanistan and go on the war (against terrorism - good luck Barack). He also wants to keep death penalty. Do you think that is a change ? However USA is a violent country living with weapon cult
Don’t you think the most important is Obama’s political programme ? I do think yes.
I share your opinion USA are dangerous sometimes. Just be careful to be fooled.

Posted on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 00:59 in reply to an earlier post

Last edited by Teethgrinder on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 13:22 (Corrected use of quotes)

#71

Tubthumper (Scott) wrote:

Gimme Back My Brainsaw wrote:

thats why when i visit my mums i dont drink the tap water as it contains fluroide up there and god knows what else

Are you being serious?!

Posted on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 02:48 in reply to an earlier post

#72

msd wrote:

^ Fluoride is a neurotoxin, it should not be ingested.

Posted on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 06:26

#73

zipless wrote:

interzone wrote:

…Obviously the electing of a black man is a real progress for people as racist as they are.

That is exactly what angers me so much about Europeans. Always taking the moral high ground when it comes to race/colour. America is no more racist than any other country in the (let’s say) west. Tell me Interzone, when will France elect a président from north african background or indeed someone black? Or we can take the UK, a pakistani PM? In fact, I think you can take any country in Europe with a tradition of immigration and it will take ages. Hell, even in Switzerland only last year the first member of parliament of another colour was voted in. And what about Australia? In some states back in the mid-90ies Aborigines weren’t even allowed to WORK?

In that sense, I think something historical happend this week.

Posted on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 10:24 in reply to an earlier post

#74

marja (sinner) wrote:

@ zipless: you’re so right on that one. I cannot believe a lot of europeans think americans are more racist than we. In belgium, 30% of the population voted for an extreme right fascist racist party, same happened in autria (I don’t have the numbers ont hat one) and without a doubt in every other european country.

Posted on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 10:30

#75

Dennis (Dudley Less) wrote:

^ Well this is all true, Marja/ Zipless.

maybe some of those of us who are outside the US see the (stereo)typical American as a racist, redneck hick. This, of course, is in itself racist!

Posted on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 10:58

#76

opal_mantra (Holly) wrote:

interzone wrote:

We maybe should tell to those who use that that god perhaps doesn’t exist…

Who exactly are we to tell anyone anything.. those who believe in god are as entitled to their opinion as much as those who have no faith…I find your arguements quite one sided.. clearly you’re very left leaning, which yes is a good thinga t times.. but by saying some of the things you have done you’re leaning heavily towards criticism as apposed to understanding.

interzone wrote:

But you know Obama doesn’t want to stop the war in Iraq.

If you didn’t already know Obama was one of the first people in the senate to renounce the war in iraq..i don’t think it’s a case of him not wanting to stop the war in iraq…he didn’t want it in the first place..unfortunatly George bush has left him no choice.. he can’t suddenly withdraw troops when it was his country that started the whole thing.. he also can’t suddenly stop sending troops into afghanistan..

And as for the scrapping of the death penalty.. i don’t think that should be scrapped.. yes i think it should be looked at more closely and i think only certain cases should go that far.. i’d actually go as far as to say they should bring back capital punishment in the UK.. might deter some of the sick psychos we get here..

And yes America is a violent country.. but have you been to UK?.. we have guns and knives as well.. the only difference is America’s constitution says they have ‘THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS’.. everyone in america has the right to a gun.. they have done since the constitution was written..unfortunatly that’s never going to change..not in my life time anyways..

I’m far from being fooled by american politics believe me..

Posted on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 11:55 in reply to an earlier post

#77

Cuchulain wrote:

This was written tongue-in-cheek 8 years ago when Bush took up office.
Scarily enough , they were not too far off at all.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

Posted on Thu, 6 November 2008 at 13:12

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