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..real pain for my sham friends”

Obv. this is from This Ones for You from Shameless, but did Therapy? coin this phrase or did it originate from something else? I’m curious, because Fall Out Boy used it more recently.

Posted on Thu, 12 March 2009 at 21:55

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mrs h wrote:

I thought it was Oscar Wilde, but I just looked and apparently it was Francis Bacon.

Posted on Thu, 12 March 2009 at 22:05

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Old twat wrote:

Aye, Francis Bacon http://www.francis-bacon.cx/articles/tortured_vision.html

Posted on Thu, 12 March 2009 at 22:11

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mrs h wrote:

” He was a dedicated tosspot, compulsive gambler and tortured homosexual who haunted the low-life demimonde of Berlin and Paris before he settled in Chelsea.”

:D

Posted on Thu, 12 March 2009 at 22:14

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bristarman (Brian) wrote:

he also painted some fucking scary stuff

Posted on Thu, 12 March 2009 at 22:33

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Dermot wrote:

He also painted “Innocent X”, which Therapy? named their song after on Babyteeth. Here’s a pic

Posted on Thu, 12 March 2009 at 22:51

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EclipseDeLarge wrote:

Oooh I had no idea. What a small world, it was only a few weeks ago I got a Francis Bacon art book, I had no idea it connected like this to T?.

I think the Innocent X painting looks like the pope.

Posted on Thu, 12 March 2009 at 22:58

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g (My Shade Will Comfort you) wrote:

if I ever bought a painting in my life it would be that.

Posted on Thu, 12 March 2009 at 23:48

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Old twat wrote:

Viirkokka wrote:

Oooh I had no idea. What a small world, it was only a few weeks ago I got a Francis Bacon art book, I had no idea it connected like this to T?.

I think the Innocent X painting looks like the pope.

Some Spanish bloke who I forget, Domigez thingymybod painted Pope Innocent X in 1650 or somewhere around then and it has been considered the finest portrait of all time by self-obsessed, pompous arty types who know more than me. Francis Bacon did a series of pictures entitled Screaming Popes or something based on this very portrait.

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 00:41 in reply to an earlier post

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Dermot wrote:

Off topic a bit, but here’s a typical Jackson Pollock painting in case anyone didn’t know (referenced in Totally Random Man - “I feel like Jackson Pollock looks, something I don’t want to be but am)

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 07:27

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loco wrote:

Old twat wrote:

Some Spanish bloke who I forget, Domigez thingymybod painted Pope Innocent X in 1650 or somewhere around then and it has been considered the finest portrait of all time by self-obsessed, pompous arty types who know more than me. Francis Bacon did a series of pictures entitled Screaming Popes or something based on this very portrait.

I think it was Diego Velázquez.

Inocencio X ("Innocent X"), pope nº 236

what a bastard he was… he used to fuckher own sister and her nice, lol!

after his death nobody wanted to pay his funeral, so they left his body lying idle for 3 days in palace.

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 07:55 in reply to an earlier post

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#11

Old twat wrote:

Aye, that’s the chappy. Ok-ish painting I suppose but ‘the best portrait ever’? I’ll try to dig up who said that so we can all mock them on here.

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 08:41

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mrs h wrote:

You can’t judge a painting from an image of it, though. It probably seems like a much better painting when you are standing in front of it.

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 09:10

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mrs h wrote:

oops!! That sounds as though I really like the painting. I don’t, particularly - just wanted to make the point that you can’t really judge it that pic.

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 09:12

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Mekhet wrote:

loco wrote:

Inocencio X (“Innocent X”), pope nº 236 :

And he looks frighteningly like Robert Englund…

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 09:27 in reply to an earlier post

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Dennis (Dudley Less) wrote:

I recently read Dice Man and found the phrase “Totally Randon Man” - I presume this is where Therapy? got the song title…?

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 09:29

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loco wrote:

the first time the pope saw it, he said “Troppo vero!” (too much real!)

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 09:33

#17

Old twat wrote:

mrs h wrote:

You can’t judge a painting from an image of it, though. It probably seems like a much better painting when you are standing in front of it.

Undoubtedly true.

Posted on Fri, 13 March 2009 at 09:48 in reply to an earlier post

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Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

Dennis wrote:

I recently read Dice Man and found the phrase “Totally Randon Man” - I presume this is where Therapy? got the song title…?

Oh, yeah, I noticed that, and meant to ask on here about it.

Posted on Sat, 14 March 2009 at 04:34 in reply to an earlier post

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mrs h wrote:

No, that was named after Punkwak :)

Posted on Sat, 14 March 2009 at 18:17

#20

Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

I think The Dice Man was based on Punkwak… :)

Posted on Sat, 14 March 2009 at 18:33

#21

Lola wrote:

The Dice Man hurts my brain :-(

Posted on Sat, 14 March 2009 at 18:54

#22

mrs h wrote:

Only if he throws a 4 ;)

Posted on Sat, 14 March 2009 at 19:01

#23

msd wrote:

The concept of The Dice Man was good but I actually found it quite boring to read.

Posted on Sun, 15 March 2009 at 17:08

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Lola wrote:

I know what you mean…

Posted on Sun, 15 March 2009 at 20:18

#25

mrs h wrote:

I loved it, but that was a long time ago. I guess the problem with books and films that get a cult following - or even just become best sellers - is that they don’t live up to the hype. Maybe I was lucky as I had never heard of it before I read it.

Posted on Sun, 15 March 2009 at 23:24

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