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Started by Superunknown in General Therapy? Topics

Who do you think is the best drummer?

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Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 00:09

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#1

Legui wrote:

I like all drumers exept graham but the best is Fyfe yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 02:38

#2

slush puppy wrote:

that’s interesting … why don’t you like graham?

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 03:14

#3

Hairy Joe wrote:

Why the fuck does this topic get wheeled out periodically?

They’re all good and just have different strengths! Why can;t we just like the current drummer and get on with it instead of continualy trying to find someone better.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 04:14

#4

Tristan wrote:

Because we’re human and our basic sense of curiosity is numbed only after 30 pints of beer and a chicken donna!!

I wouldn’t know which drummer was best, I’m sure they all have their strengths, but the best style I like is Fyfe.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 07:31

#5

mooneycult wrote:

am always curious to know why fyfes drumming is always so lauded…one reason seems to be that his drumming was so tight, which is true, but mainly cos he largley shyed away from fills. that never struck me as genius.

of course there was trcks he sounded great on, others he sound shite on (as andy himself said one i think)

neil shows a lot of promise on HA.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 08:28

#6

Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:

there a new breed of T? about at the moment, and it has NEIL on the drum throne!

Fyfe was unbelievable, tight and imaginative - He gave T? their sound in many of their early anthems. Graham was average to me good but never stood out. Now when Graham left I used to really want Fyfe to come back, come to think of it also while Graham was in the band in all honesty, but I saw T? with Neil on percussion last night. HOLY SHIT. He is absolutly shit hot, fast as fucking lighting. All the old sounds have come to life again. And the new songs, well if you get the chance to go see em, don’t pass it up. You will not regret it.

**Neil you are a god on that fucking drum kit mate!**

As for his Kit, thats shit hot to:

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:05

#7

Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:

Sorry, his kit:

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Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:06

#8

Alan wrote:

HOLY FUCK! :eek:

Does he really play that? Double bass drum!?

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:10

#9

Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:

Listen to Hey Satan - You rock, thats how he does that, and some new frilly bits on the old fav’s. I’m telling you man he is fucking shit hot!!

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:18

#10

Alan wrote:

Auto_Surgery wrote:

some new frilly bits on the old fav’s.

I like the sound of that! Man, they’ve gotta play “Teethgrinder” now…

:)

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:20

#11

mooneycult wrote:

the only thing that bothers me slighty about neils drumming is his tendency sometimes to use complex snare drum patterns to keep the beat going when a standard one would perhaps be better (like on the chorus of limbo)

aside from that, i’d say neil is therapy?s best drummer yet-with fyfes tightness and some great fills. must be due to the double bass mayhem from that kit, is he the first double basser to play in t?

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:21

#12

Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:

they didn’t play it last night. That was the one song I voted for as well. Well I hope you get luckier when you see em mate - cos I totally agree Neil has to play teethgrinder!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:22

#13

Alan wrote:

Auto_Surgery wrote:

they didn’t play it last night. That was the one song I voted for as well. Well I hope you get luckier when you see em mate - cos I totally agree Neil has to play teethgrinder!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D

I’ve exams when they play in Ireland - so I’m not lucky at all! :(

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:23

#14

tatty seaside town wrote:

Title: fyfe was the best

i think fyfe was really the best drummer. he made the original therapy with his 2 snare drums. And his style of playing much ghost notes. Just listen to “die laughing” or “loose” or something older like “innocentX” Graham couldn´t play it like fyfe. He´s wasn´t a really good drummer for therapy.
Graham, for example, played only 4 notes on the high hat during the verse of “die laughing”, like really laid back. Fyfe played 8 notes in the same time with a shuffle technic.
Just one of many examples.
Drumming is not about going as fast as you can. The technics are more important.
The “speed” comes automatically if you play the right way.

I saw therapy a couple of times with fyfe and graham. Graham, for example, played “teethgrinder” like really only every second note from the original. I was really pissed about his druming.

Neil is better than graham. But still i miss a lot of ghost notes in his druming and like no 2 snares. I loved fyfes style of playing them. Like the high snare really gets you in touch with the original therapy sound.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:28

#15

Alan wrote:

Looks like Neil is gonna have to get himself one of those “timbales” that Fyfe used, in order to play Teethginder!

I also thought Fyfe’s live drumming on Isolation was shit hot too.

That second snare/timbale was the dogs bollocks! :D

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:33

#16

Alan wrote:

Title: Re: fyfe was the best

tatty seaside town wrote:

Graham, for example, played only 4 notes on the high hat during the verse of “die laughing”, like really laid back. Fyfe played 8 notes in the same time with a shuffle technic.

Same with Screamager - that quick hi-hat style is tough on the arms though! Maybe that’s why Graham slowed it down.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:35

#17

Shra-Mee wrote:

Well, haven´t seen Neil playing.
But i´ll go for Fyfe, cause once I saw this live-video, where he was playing AND singing Teethgrinder, playing with naked feet!
Nevertheless, I also like Graham´s and Neil´s drumming, so it is hard to decide, who might be the best drummer, cause ever of them has a unique style:

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 09:43

#18

mooneycult wrote:

am not going to pretend i know all the technical ins and outs of drumming, it’s just that sometimes fyfe seemed to lose the plot completely.

there was one song on nurse (neck freak or pervesonality, not sure which), where at the start of the song fyfe sounds like he’s trying to repeatedly whack a fly thats buzzing around the snare drum - its just all over the place!

i’d agree 100% that fyfe helped shape the T? sound on the first 3 releases, but IMO on touublegum and infernal love it could have been anyone behind the kit. its telling that he didn’t write anything for those albums either.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:00

#19

Alan wrote:

mooneycult wrote:

there was one song on nurse (neck freak or pervesonality, not sure which), where at the start of the song fyfe sounds like he’s trying to repeatedly whack a fly thats buzzing around the snare drum - its just all over the place!

No way man! Those tracks are fuckin’ deadly! Sure enough, when he played them live, he sometimes lost the run of himself, but there’s nothing wrong with the album versions.

But I agree totally about the drumming on Troublegum & (especially) Infernal Love - he’d lost interest by then.
On the mini-albums and Nurse, Fyfe wrote and sang half the songs. On TG & IL though, he did virtually nothing besides play, and there wasn’t much interesting about the drums either.

But that was a fault in his attitude, not his ability.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:15

#20

Auto_Surgery (Mad Axe Man) wrote:

Title: Re: Re: fyfe was the best

Alan wrote:

Same with Screamager - that quick hi-hat style is tough on the arms though! Maybe that’s why Graham slowed it down.

Yeah…but Neil’s speeded it up again!!!

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 11:09

#21

Reverend Savage? wrote:

For me - and this is not a criticism - Fyfe always sounded like a self-taught drummer. His grooves were fantastic, not to say unique (Meat Abstract anyone?). His fills, though were decidedly untechnical and his rolls likeably lumpy.

Graham clearly studied his technique, sometimes I felt his parts were over-technical, but the technique helped him to rock loud. Therapy? as a whole felt a lot more solid live with him behind the kit.

Jury’s out on the new guy. Great playing on the album - very reminiscient of Fyfe, but as solid as Graham. Felt he was a bit excitable at the Manchester gig, though - some songs were definitely speeding up. Still, first night of a tour with a new band - When he settles, he’ll be great.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 11:17

#22

Superunknown wrote:

Hm, honestly I’m not a drummer but I never thought there was anything wrong with Graham. After Fyfe left I was afraid that T? might get some average, uninspired drummer but then they released “Church Of Noise” and I was like: “Hey, the new guy’s just as good as Fyfe!”.
Neil sounds good to me, too. They could probably have produced a better drum sound on HA but that’s the producer’s fault not Neil’s. A friend of mine said that he thinks “Hey Satan - You Rock” sounds a little jerky but I really can’t find any mistake in it.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 11:48

#23

Evil Elvis 2 wrote:

seen neil twice now. have to say, he is very good. it’s always strange to see songs you associate with one drummer being played by another. I remember there being a debate on here about 2 years ago about Graham’s clangy cymbal that he like using so much and how most people on here hated it. There are some songs where i’m expecting to hear that now and they’re just not there. I haven’t seen Neil enough to appreciate how good he is, because he is a very good drummer, but for me, having seen him play 40 or so times, Graham (or Judas as Diamond Dave refers to him as) takes the crown. Also, Graham takes the crown for the entertainment value of watching him and Michael fooling around trying to put each other off and make each other laugh.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 11:49

#24

Reverend Savage? wrote:

Quote (author unknown):

[I remember there being a debate on here about 2 years ago about Graham’s clangy cymbal that he like using so much and how most people on here hated it.

God, yes. Still can’t stand the sound of the bloody thing. Rock solid drummer, though - and created parts that it’ll be difficult for anyone to follow ‘He’s not that kind of girl’ springs to mind.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 12:03

#25

Alan wrote:

:D THAT symbal! Thank God it’s gone!! (It’s the symbal that rings out at the end of the extended version of “I Am The Money”, in case anyone’s wondering what we’re talking about!). I remember Graham using it during the breaks in “Knives”, and cringing to myself :(

In fairness though, the drumming on ‘SP-YF’ is pretty excellent - he was really inspired on that.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 12:14

#26

tatty seaside town wrote:

graham had too much of this “stoner rock style” like you hear everything he plays, no ghost notes, no fills!
fyfe was the only real drummer fot therapy i think!

graham played a primitive style.
Therapy need more than that.

its a unique band with a unique style. graham couldn´t sound like therapy. he just played to simple.
when i heard songs, where he played the drums, i could already play it myself, after hearing it only ones.

i had to hear fyfes style a couple of times to recognice everthing what was going on in the rythm fraction.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 12:15

#27

Dermot (The Derm) wrote:

I don’t know the technical side of drumming at all, but i really liked Fyfe’s disjointed style on tracks like neck freak. Pity I never got see him live :( but i do have graham’s drumstick :)

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 12:28

#28

Nitro wrote:

FYFE!!!!!

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 13:32

#29

Superunknown wrote:

What are ‘ghost notes’?

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 13:43

#30

Alan wrote:

Superunknown wrote:

What are ‘ghost notes’?

Hitting the snare with very little force, kinda sounds like you’re using brushes - drummers use ghosts as contrast to real heavy force. Or at least I try to… they’re kinda hard to do.

Posted on Thu, 15 May 2003 at 13:56

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