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Started by mfgeorge in Therapy? Live

Was listening to Shameless today and when EP played I immediately thought that with a bit of tweaking it would fit quite nicely with the Crooked Timber and newer material.

Agree/disagree?

Posted on Fri, 7 October 2011 at 02:30

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Beefgrinder wrote:

Yeah, you’d have to tune it down a few steps and have Super Cooper on drums, but I can sort of see that…

Posted on Fri, 7 October 2011 at 03:55

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Epitome (Dave) wrote:

This is a good chance for us to say how generally fantastic Shameless is. Go on, say it!

Posted on Fri, 7 October 2011 at 13:42

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Cactus wrote:

Shameless is generally fantastic.

For me it’s their drunken karaoke singalong party album. Also some of Andy’s best written lyrics in the last decade and a bit, Endless Psychology being a good example. If you compare it to One Cure Fits All, for example, there is a lot more going on lyrically, except maybe on Theme from Delorean and Alrite.

It is also the only T? album so far to feature the word ‘bonkified’. This may be a good thing.

Posted on Fri, 7 October 2011 at 19:12

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Epitome (Dave) wrote:

Yes, all good points. Shameless is in my top 3 T? albums. YEAH!

Posted on Fri, 7 October 2011 at 21:29

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kossu (Petri Koskiniemi) wrote:

There are sum really excellent songs in it like “This ones for you” and “Tango Romeo”,and specially those two songs would be nice to hear live again some day…

Posted on Sat, 8 October 2011 at 01:41

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vagabond wrote:

didn’t like it too much at first … but it grew on me after a few years and I love it now, apart from one or two songs that feel a bit “filler” to me.
i also think they we’re ahead of their time once again, with all the retro-rock “the”-bands exploding soon afterwards …

Posted on Sat, 8 October 2011 at 07:27

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KJC Dublin (Karl) wrote:

Loved the album when it first came out, but grew weary of it rather quickly.

There is no such thing as a Therapy? album that I do not like - even though it is one of my lesser favourite albums I have to say that I enjoy listening to it all in one sitting rather than in drips and drabs.

Would certainly welcome some of the material back into their live set.

Posted on Sun, 9 October 2011 at 14:03

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buffalo-boy wrote:

Shameless was their ‘mid-career slump’ i believe but im glad everything is back on track now : ). I just wish T? would admit not all their albums are great instead of that “people didn’t get it” attitude. Come on , be honest! Even the Manics admitted Know Your Enemy and Lifeblood were crap!

Posted on Sun, 9 October 2011 at 21:33

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Epitome (Dave) wrote:

But Shameless was great!

Posted on Sun, 9 October 2011 at 21:43

#10

Gav wrote:

Opinions and arseholes, everyone’s got one, just some peoples smell worse!

Posted on Sun, 9 October 2011 at 23:07

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Epitome (Dave) wrote:

Yes, I’m glad you’re on my side, Gav!

Posted on Mon, 10 October 2011 at 00:03

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Alan wrote:

buffalo-boy wrote:

Shameless was their ‘mid-career slump’ i believe but im glad everything is back on track now : ). I just wish T? would admit not all their albums are great instead of that “people didn’t get it” attitude. Come on , be honest! Even the Manics admitted Know Your Enemy and Lifeblood were crap!

To be fair, the only albums I haven’t heard Andy slagging off are Babyteeth, Troublegum, SP-YF, NANE and Crooked Timber. All the others have come in for criticism a few years after release.
Regarding Shameless, the band felt that Graham & Martin were having too much input into the songs, so much so that the songs were confused and the album doesn’t really sound like a Therapy? album.

Posted on Mon, 10 October 2011 at 09:23 in reply to an earlier post

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buffalo-boy wrote:

Thankyou! At least someone stands up for my right to MY opinion!

Posted on Mon, 10 October 2011 at 15:09

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Joel (Joel Wreford) wrote:

Tango Romeo a good song? For the love of god… And some of Andy’s best lyrics? Can I refer you to “Welcome to fuck land”. Swing and a miss.

Posted on Mon, 10 October 2011 at 18:18

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mfgeorge wrote:

Bringing up this album always opens a can of worms. I love it even though I can admit there are some weak spots. “Welcome to fuck land” a good example.

Regardless, Endless Psychology, tone and lyrical wise, just seem like a good fit with CT & beyond.

Posted on Tue, 11 October 2011 at 00:35

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Super Hans (Dave) wrote:

Shameless is Fantastic

Posted on Wed, 12 October 2011 at 01:33

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Cactus wrote:

I have to say, I didn’t really like it when it came out. My favourite stuff at that time being T? 1990-1992ish, Shameless just sounded nothing like the band I loved, and it seemed that band was never coming back. It’s only really with hindsight, in the context of what they’ve done since, that I’ve learned to not worry about it and enjoy it for what it is - Therapy? shamelessly having fun, before moving on and changing again like they always do.

Posted on Wed, 12 October 2011 at 11:09

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Bad Astronaut (Your mommy's alright, your daddy's alright....) wrote:

First half of Shameless is great. İt could be a perfect EP. Anyway, it’s better than One Cure’.

Posted on Wed, 12 October 2011 at 15:48

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buffalo-boy wrote:

What he said!

Posted on Fri, 14 October 2011 at 16:49

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