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Both Conjoined Twins Die After Separation

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Started by Bad Karma

IRANIAN twins who had been joined at the head have both died following an operation to separate them.

Laleh Bijani and her sister Ladan died at Raffles Hospital, Singapore.

“Everyone upstairs is crying,” said a nurse involved in the surgery.

The first to die was Ladan. Hospital officials said she had lost a lot of blood as the latest stage of the surgery was coming to a close.

Then, a few hours later, an official announced: “The second one has died. We treated them like family because they had been here for seven months.”

Surgeons began the operation on Sunday afternoon - warning that the operation could kill one or both.

It was the first time surgeons had attempted to separate adult craniopagus twins - siblings born joined at the head - although the operation was first performed on infants in 1952.

The surgery had been expected to last at least another 24 hours as a team of plastic surgeons grafted tissue taken from the thighs of Ladan and Laleh Bijani over their brains to protect them, Kumar said.

I copied and pasted that story from AOL News.

Do you think the operation should have taken place?

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 17:34

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tatty seaside town wrote:

i´ve read, that they had a huge pressure under their skulls … they needed to be operated …

don´t know it this is right … i read it on a news site in austria

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 17:40

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Bad Karma wrote:

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 17:48

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Michael wrote:

Title: Re: Both Conjoined Twins Die After Separation

Bad Karma wrote:

Do you think the operation should have taken place?

Although it is very regrettable they didn’t make it, they were both aware of the risks, weren’t they? They chose to take the risk, unfortunately the risk turned out to be too big.

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 18:41

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Bad Karma wrote:

Yeah they were both aware of the risks,i was watching the ITN evening news and they were talking about whether or not the operation should have taken place.I think if i was in their situation i would go ahead with the operation.

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 19:33

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prisonbreaker wrote:

I think those doctors also saw it as an experiment, maybe they had to refuse the operation untill technology was further devolped and untill the they had more knowledge about that sort of situations, but now it’s too late to discus that. Besides , the twins were aware of the risk.

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 19:51

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--neville-- wrote:

i think it was the for the best. They were given a 50/50 chance by the team of doctors.
They were the oldest simease twins to be seperated i think. The ran the risk of the longer they stayed together the greater the risk of an early death, espeshally as in all simease twins one is more dominant than the other, and if infection or disease occours then the weaker usally suffers first then harming the other.

Its a very sad situation.

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 19:54

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hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

Very sad story. I think it was right that they had the operation though, it was what both of them wanted and they knew the risks involved.

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 21:35

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Body Bag Girl Iris wrote:

They both had a University degree in lawment, so I think both girls are very very smart and want to live their own live including the risk it would take. They asks dokters to do it already in 1996 in Germany, but the dokters refused the operation. They knew the risk, but wanted it so bad. I think I would also wanted it. But you never know enless you are in a situation like that.

In the USA there is also a kid walking around with 2 heads and the operate both 1 side of ONE complete body, so very strange, their parent did not want cut 1 head off… that would be so difficult to decide, ‘cause they can never be seperated without killing the other ones brains… sorry strange story, but saw it some weeks ago on TV.

Posted on Tue, 8 July 2003 at 22:29

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Karl wrote:

I thought it was really sad to see the news yesterday about their deaths. What irratated me though, was the media taking pictures of the grieving relatives, why do the press not give a shit about anything??

Posted on Wed, 9 July 2003 at 06:58

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smurftastic wrote:

Agree about the press and their lack of respect for the relatives. I thought that was awful.

As for whether the operation should have taken place at all, sure it was a risky experiment, but experimentation is how scientific advancements are made. I’m fairly convinced the twins were aware of the risks and it ws their reasoned decision to go ahead so I’m OK with that. I think they were very courageous and it’s a very sad end to their story.

From what I heard, the operation was complicated because the brains had become fused together much more than had been thought. While I don’t find this suprising, I do find it odd that with the current state of medical imaging technology this could not have been determined with better accuracy before the operation.

Posted on Wed, 9 July 2003 at 14:51

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dano wrote:

Karl wrote:

I thought it was really sad to see the news yesterday about their deaths. What irratated me though, was the media taking pictures of the grieving relatives, why do the press not give a shit about anything??

You thought that was bad, did you see the picture of Marc Vivien-Foe taken when he he was dying on the pitch? It was horrible, and I felt really shaken when I saw it, but really angry that the paper had smacked such a huge picture ( it took up nearly 3 quarters of the front page ) up of something that had upset so many people, totally insensitive, especially to his relatives.

It’s a shame that the twins died, but I think the important part to remember in all of this is that they knew of the risks, but still took them..I think that says more about the operation being justified in taking place than any amount of media post mortems ever could.

Posted on Wed, 9 July 2003 at 19:11

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Michael wrote:

dano wrote:

You thought that was bad, did you see the picture of Marc Vivien-Foe taken when he he was dying on the pitch? It was horrible, and I felt really shaken when I saw it, but really angry that the paper had smacked such a huge picture ( it took up nearly 3 quarters of the front page ) up of something that had upset so many people, totally insensitive, especially to his relatives.

Definately agree, it was a very disturbing picture. I saw it in a newspaper in the airport, I was shocked, not in the least by the picture. The look on his face, it made me feel sick!

Posted on Wed, 9 July 2003 at 19:40

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Body Bag Girl Iris wrote:

Michael wrote:

Definately agree, it was a very disturbing picture. I saw it in a newspaper in the airport, I was shocked, not in the least by the picture. The look on his face, it made me feel sick!

Who is this person??? Never heard of it!!!
But I think it would be the same when Pim Fortuin was shot in his head and died and pictures from close where on the frontpage of that… so sick!!! It was horrible to see, and what about little kids, it’s in every shop at the counter. Just SICK!!! But as long as people buy it, people will print it!!!

Posted on Wed, 9 July 2003 at 23:14

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dano wrote:

Iris, Marc Vivien-Foe was a Cameroon international football player who collapsed on the pitch during the recent Confederations cup tournament in France.

Posted on Thu, 10 July 2003 at 08:51

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Michael wrote:

Body Bag Girl Iris wrote:

Who is this person??? Never heard of it!!!
But I think it would be the same when Pim Fortuin was shot in his head and died and pictures from close where on the frontpage of that… so sick!!! It was horrible to see, and what about little kids, it’s in every shop at the counter. Just SICK!!! But as long as people buy it, people will print it!!!

Yes, the pic can be compared to the picture of Pim Fortuyn, only less bloody. Foé’s face had the same empty and lifeless look, quite scary. Of course the impact of Fortuyn’s death was far heavier, also due to the fact that he was murdered.

Regarding Foé’s death: he played a heavy season in the British Premier League, the heaviest league in the world in terms of the number of matches played. After the regular season, a tournament was held in France between nations, including Cameroon (Foé’s country). This tournament was held about 2 weeks ago. When Foé died, he played his third match in one week, with temperatures of 42 degrees Celcius. What more proof is needed that the football-calendar is a bit to full??

And to make things even worse, the FIFA decided that the tournament should go on! In fact, another match was played just hours after Foé’s death. The whole tournament should have stopped actually, but I guess the commercial and financial interests were too big, same goes for those damn newspapers that published that horrible picture.

Posted on Thu, 10 July 2003 at 09:24

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dano wrote:

I thought the worst thing about FIFA’s handling of that incident was the fact that they had a press call to announce a load of new merchandising about 2 days later..totally insensitive and bang out of order.

Posted on Fri, 11 July 2003 at 09:26

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