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T?-Lyrics - with political background known?

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Started by Jester

Hi, T? is my favourite band because of the incredible sound and the special mixture of music.

Concerning the lyrics I really like the strange ones like ‘Hey baby I dig your scars …’ (He’s not that kind of girl) or the incredible start ‘Hit me!’ (Wall of mouths). The lyrics from the new album HA were not that satisfying - too many repetitions in my eyes.

What about T?-lyrics with political backgrund? I don’t know any of these lyrics (maybe the bonussong of SP-YF ‘Whilst I pursue my way unharmed’ is the exception where one line is ‘Thank you for Vietnam!’) but I’m not that familiar with the earlier songs.

So please tell me if you have some of these political lyrics in mind.

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 09:44

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allroy wrote:

Title: Re: T?-Lyrics - with political background known?

Jester wrote:

So please tell me if you have some of these political lyrics in mind.

Andy said that Not In Any Name was about his grandfather dying as a soldier in Belgium. You could call that a political topic, I think.
I think, Six Mile Water is in the same vein.

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 09:47

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Tightrope Walker wrote:

Well, Potato Junkie is the very obvious song to pick here. “This business is pointless, to think that green’s the only colour on the atlas!”

Also, talking about the Northern Ireland subject in the Infernal Love-booklet, “There Is A Light At The End Of The Tunnel” was a positive sounding way of dealing with the subject, mind you that the original lyric was “There isn’t light…” but considering that this line is being repeated a few times (…) they didn’t want such a depressing ending to an otherwise depressing sounding album…

Cheerz,
TW

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:13

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scotdamn wrote:

Disgracelands…

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 11:04

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Dermot (The Derm) wrote:

‘I cannot remember 1690’ - Potato Junkie
‘Like the 12th Day of July’ - Bad Mother
‘Red skies, the summer marches on’ - Church of Noise

All these lyrics are about the Orange Order methinks. The Castlereagh mentioned in Tango Romeo is a police station, and the lyric ‘try to avoid being RU-seen’ in the same song is about the old NI police force, the RUC. Theres probably many more ‘political’ lyrics…

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 12:20

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Bad Karma wrote:

God Kicks from SP-YF is political it has the line God kicks with both feet.

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 14:40

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prisonbreaker wrote:

I think “stop it you’re killing me” is poilitical,isn’t it??

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 14:43

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tatty seaside town wrote:

prisonbreaker wrote:

isn’t “stop it you’re killing me”poilitical??

surely!

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 14:43

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Isness wrote:

Idiots authority, promising equality, so where is the land of the free?

Yes, I reckon that’s probably their most obvious political lyric, actually. The one that sprung to mind for me (although I can’t make out more than about ten words from Suicide Pact :P )

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 17:04

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Michael wrote:

Bad Mother definately is, I once asked Andy about it. He told me the line ‘The vicious vulgar colours clash, like the 12th day of July’ refers to the clash between the Catholics and the Protestants. The vicious colours orange and green symbolise both groups, orange being the colour of the Protestants and green the colour of the Catholics. Apperently July 12 is or was the date of the Orange March.

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 18:33

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Citizen Erased wrote:

Michael wrote:

Bad Mother definately is, I once asked Andy about it. He told me the line ‘The vicious vulgar colours clash, like the 12th day of July’ refers to the clash between the Catholics and the Protestants. The vicious colours orange and green symbolise both groups, orange being the colour of the Protestants and green the colour of the Catholics. Apperently July 12 is or was the date of the Orange March.

Yeah, I’d picked up on that one and I guessed that there was some significance to “1690” in PJ. Not sure about Church of Noise - isn’t that just about um, sunsets? Six Mile Water sounds very ‘divided community’ to me, so I guessed there might be something there as well.

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 19:11

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prisonbreaker wrote:

Citizen Erased wrote:

Not sure about Church of Noise - isn’t that just about um, sunsets?

I somewhere readed that Church of noise is about a catholic being in love with a protestant

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 19:17

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Citizen Erased wrote:

THat would make sense - it is a bit Romeo and Juliet-ish.

Posted on Fri, 17 October 2003 at 19:30

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Dermot (The Derm) wrote:

“we should run away together, mongrels in a mess forever” - yeah, it seems to make sense. I think Wall of Mouths is about the political parties in NI (or I suppose it could be political parties anywhere). Never realised that God Kicks ref. before.

Posted on Sat, 18 October 2003 at 12:32

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Michael wrote:

God Kicks is also about the Protestant vs Catholic issue I believe. It was something like: the Protestants kick with their left foot, the Catholics with their right, but God doesn’t make a difference between both religions and kicks (judges) with both feet.

Posted on Sat, 18 October 2003 at 14:14

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Bad Karma wrote:

I think that might be the other way round but i’m not sure.

I always thought the lyrics to Safe might be political anyone else think they might be?

Posted on Sat, 18 October 2003 at 18:51

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Patrik_H wrote:

“swore we saw the city hall on fire” (you’ll have to read up on your irish history to get that one, obviously the “we come from across the border is pretty simple to get, and the six mile water is an area in antrim.
most of therapy?s lyrics have some bit of politics in them, but sometimes its hard to get if you dont know irish history.

Posted on Sat, 18 October 2003 at 23:02

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Citizen Erased wrote:

Michael wrote:

God Kicks is also about the Protestant vs Catholic issue I believe. It was something like: the Protestants kick with their left foot, the Catholics with their right, but God doesn’t make a difference between both religions and kicks (judges) with both feet.

Had assumed it just meant that whatever you do, you’ll get kicked - kind of ‘rock and hard place’ thing, but you might be right that there’s a bit more to it.

Posted on Sun, 19 October 2003 at 10:08

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zero nero wrote:

its common place here to hear the statment, “he kicks with the other foot”, in relation to someone being from the ‘other side’ or other religion.

I always thought ‘animal bones’ was politically influenced.
Church of noise was meant to be a big political song, but i read that it got watered down a bit. Still has refernces to the marching season.
1690 12th july, is the date of the battle of the boyne, dutch protestant william of orange,(king billy) defeats catholic james, and ensures protestant english domination of ireland for next couple of centuries. Still commerated with orange marchs every july. ‘corourful’ affairs these marches, hence the vicious vulgar colours lyric.

I love the line in god kicks, ‘all the memories i have are decked out in presbeterian grey’ very evokative indeed.

‘Dont expect roses’ is also a take on ‘new’labour winning the uk elections after so long being in opposition, the moral of the story, dont expect everything to improve, very true in the long run, remember when all these other bands jumped on the labour bandwagon (oasis being one) and now they all look stupid.

For a band that say publically that they avoid being a political band, they have quite a collection of politically influenced songs, and all very good ones too, which is so hard to do.
Banana republic by bob geldof is a great political song too….Oopps…off topic…!

Posted on Sun, 19 October 2003 at 13:37

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Alex wrote:

Church Of Noise originally had a sample of Rev Ian Paisley about “good Catholic” something or other, but I can’t remember. And then it was taken out, and my memory serves me badly as I cannot remember why. I _think_ it was pressure from the record company, which is a bit pap really.

As for the city hall on fire — is that a Belfast or a Dublin reference? I know the GPO and the Four Courts went up, and I think the Custom House but I didn’t think the City Hall ever did. Not that Irish history is my strong point, but I have been reading up since I moved 30 seconds walk from said City Hall.

Unfortunately it’s usually in through one eye and out, er… , the other…

Ahem

Posted on Sun, 19 October 2003 at 14:15

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Bad Karma wrote:

Alex wrote:

Church Of Noise originally had a sample of Rev Ian Paisley about “good Catholic” something or other, but I can’t remember. And then it was taken out, and my memory serves me badly as I cannot remember why. I _think_ it was pressure from the record company, which is a bit pap really.

Unfortunately it’s usually in through one eye and out, er… , the other…

Ahem

Did T? ever do an interview in the NME and they mentioned Ian Paisley?

Oh

And shouldn’t that be in one ear and out the other?

Posted on Sun, 19 October 2003 at 14:28

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Dermot (The Derm) wrote:

hehe I think they wanted to put in a sample of Big Ian saying “Now thats some good Christian music” instead of the sample “…put you soul into it a little…OK?” And the City Hall dominates Belfast’s main thoroughfare, I think they just saw it on fire cos they were trippin’!

Posted on Sun, 19 October 2003 at 15:19

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