#1
ianrauk wrote:
ok i’m up for it…yep bring back capital punishment for convicted murderers. With dna testing & forensic techniques now available then why not. The likes of Huntly (if proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt) should be hung, and I would be very happy to do the job.
Posted on Sun, 16 November 2003 at 00:34
#2
Bad Karma wrote:
I can’t see that ever becomming policy(for a start the Tories would have to win an election which i can’t see happening),did anyone here see that two part documentry on Channel 4 called Lifers?Convicted murderers were interviewed and showed how they lived in prison and it showed then watching TV in their cells.Some of them were even out on license and they had did the most terrible crimes ever.Call me old fashioned but i think a life senetence should mean a life sentence not sitting around on you’re arse all day watching TV for ten years and then allowed out of prison.
The details of the Huntly case make grim reading.
Posted on Sun, 16 November 2003 at 14:17
#3
mr self destruct wrote:
ianrauk wrote:
With dna testing & forensic techniques now available then why not. The likes of Huntly (if proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt) should be hung, and I would be very happy to do the job.
But are all murder cases proved “beyond reasonable doubt” by DNA testing/forensics? Doubt it - miscarriages of justice are always going to occur, so if we had capital punishment, someday an innocent bloke would be executed.
I perfectly agree if Huntley did murder those girls it was a truly evil crime, but if he’s convicted it’s probably going to be on circumstantial evidence, as I don’t believe there were any witnesses or 100% conclusive forensic evidence to prove beyond doubt he murdered them (as opposed to some kind of awful accident happening, resulting in him panicking and trying to cover it up). Would you execute someone in those circumstances?
Posted on Sun, 16 November 2003 at 19:17
#4
ianrauk wrote:
yes I would…if proven guilty by trial and jury.
This country is going to the fekken dogs becuase of all the lilly livered left wing namby pampy’s..it’s time someone actually took a stand. I for one will vote (and has voted for the past 18 years)for the Tory party if they do take the capital punishment stand. The Labour party are grinding the country to a standstill, exactly what they did in the dark days of the 70’s with strikes crippling the country. It’s happening again because stupid hippies these days were too stupid to understand what happened then.
Posted on Sun, 16 November 2003 at 19:42
#5
mr self destruct wrote:
Yay! Let’s get another Thatcher in, she was great for the country! :rolleyes:
Posted on Sun, 16 November 2003 at 20:20
#6
Bad Karma wrote:
Whoever wins the next election i hope they increase the prison sentences for sexual crimes.
Posted on Tue, 18 November 2003 at 20:44
#7
motherh666 wrote:
Bad Karma wrote:
Whoever wins the next election i hope they increase the prison sentences for sexual crimes.
Half the message board would be locked away.
Posted on Wed, 19 November 2003 at 11:35
#8
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
NO! Never again the death penalty! Even if someone is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, there always is a chance that the condemned isn’t the murderer after all.
We had a case like this in Holland, where two people were convicted for murder; they even admitted having raped and killed the woman. A few years later new facts came to light and the two were proven innocent! (One of those facts being the police putting enormous mental pressure on those guys to get a confession.)
It is impossible to be 100% sure that someone killed another’even with DNA tests and the best forensic techniques!
Besides: what if the death panalty is ever re-installed? Does this mean that taking onother person’s life is allowed in some cases after all?
Posted on Wed, 19 November 2003 at 12:03
#9
motherh666 wrote:
Child-killer should get it. Fuck em.
I know it’s not a very educated argument, but there are some real demons out in the world these days and sometimes there is only one solution.
Posted on Wed, 19 November 2003 at 15:32
#10
ianrauk wrote:
well said that man, there are too many evil fucekrs in the world, some still languising in jail at the taxpayers expense. Give me the switch, i’d pull it no problem.
Posted on Wed, 19 November 2003 at 17:34
#11
mr self destruct wrote:
3ddo-on-the-balcony wrote:
NO! Never again the death penalty! Even if someone is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, there always is a chance that the condemned isn’t the murderer after all.
We had a case like this in Holland, where two people were convicted for murder; they even admitted having raped and killed the woman. A few years later new facts came to light and the two were proven innocent! (One of those facts being the police putting enormous mental pressure on those guys to get a confession.)
It is impossible to be 100% sure that someone killed another’even with DNA tests and the best forensic techniques!
Besides: what if the death panalty is ever re-installed? Does this mean that taking onother person’s life is allowed in some cases after all?
Completely agree.
Posted on Wed, 19 November 2003 at 22:26
#12
Bad Karma wrote:
motherh666 wrote:
Half the message board would be locked away.
Which half?
Posted on Wed, 19 November 2003 at 22:27
#13
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
motherh666 wrote:
Child-killer should get it. Fuck em.
I know it’s not a very educated argument, but there are some real demons out in the world these days and sometimes there is only one solution.
I understand your argumant and I hate child-killers as much as you do. But, do you know how many people wrongfully got the death penalty? (see my argument that it’s impossible to be 100% sure)It’s irreversible, you know and it doesn’t solve any problems. Take a look at the US; the number of killings has increased. Apparently the death penalty doesn’t scare people off: on the contrary!
You may call me meek, but I’m convinced the death penalty is wong. There is indeed ‘only one solution’: lock them away forgood. I’m willing to pay for that, ianrauk. Money should never be an argument to kill people in stead of taking the burden to feed and house them. It simply is one of the costs of living in a democracy.
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 06:49
#14
motherh666 wrote:
3ddo-on-the-balcony wrote:
There is indeed ‘only one solution’: lock them away forgood.
How about sticking them all on some pishy island off the coast of Scotland, and last one alive gets to host ‘Have I got news for you’ whilst snorting coke out a hookers arse-crack.
The big-brother team could film the island and we’d have great telly, natural selection and a new host for HIGNFY.
THE solution.
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 08:57
#15
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
Makes me think of that film. Wasn’t it called (Escape from)Absalom or something like that?
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 10:06
#16
ianrauk wrote:
If you had a friend or family member murdered will you feel the same then? And yes I would call you meek..as I said in a previous mail, the lefty namby pambys champagne socialists are taking over. It’s like the dark days of the 70’s all over again. You may be too young to remember what happened last time this government was in power bringing the country to a complete halt.
3ddo-on-the-balcony wrote:
I understand your argumant and I hate child-killers as much as you do. But, do you know how many people wrongfully got the death penalty? (see my argument that it’s impossible to be 100% sure)It’s irreversible, you know and it doesn’t solve any problems. Take a look at the US; the number of killings has increased. Apparently the death penalty doesn’t scare people off: on the contrary!
You may call me meek, but I’m convinced the death penalty is wong. There is indeed ‘only one solution’: lock them away forgood. I’m willing to pay for that, ianrauk. Money should never be an argument to kill people in stead of taking the burden to feed and house them. It simply is one of the costs of living in a democracy.
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 11:00
#17
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
ianrauk wrote:
If you had a friend or family member murdered will you feel the same then?
Rationally, yes, emotionally, no way! But I don’t think I would act myself.
I remember the ’70s all too well, ianrauk. I grew up then, but not in your country, so I don’t remember a lot about your political situation then.
I had my share of protests, riots and other activities end ’70s, beginning ’80s (left wing, as you might have guessed). But I never injured anyone (not even animals, which seems to be your favourite pasttime :mad: ) and I’m still proud of that.
Although nothing has changed, I still believe in an anarcho-socialist society, but I doubt that it will ever be realised.
I guess we’ll never agree, but that’s o.k. I respect you anyway. Maybe we should have a pint together someday.
cheers!
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 11:33
#18
motherh666 wrote:
3ddo-on-the-balcony wrote:
Makes me think of that film. Wasn’t it called (Escape from)Absalom or something like that?
Battle Royale (Japanese Film) About unruly school-children who are sent to an island to kill each other.
Cracking movie.
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 11:58
#19
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
I mean another one. It’s about an prison island whith two rivalling communities of prisoners. I the end, a few actually escape and the prison director gets lynched by the prisoners.
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 12:13
#20
motherh666 wrote:
ehhmm. ‘Escape from the prison colony’? Don’t know.
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 13:02
#21
allroy wrote:
3ddo-on-the-balcony wrote:
I mean another one. It’s about an prison island whith two rivalling communities of prisoners. I the end, a few actually escape and the prison director gets lynched by the prisoners.
It’s Escape from Absolom starring the wonderful Ray Liotta.
It’s quite a mediocre movie, too much of a rip off from John Carpenter’s Escape from New York.
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 19:28
#22
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
Thanks allroy, that’s the one I mean. :)
Posted on Thu, 20 November 2003 at 22:06
#23
motherh666 wrote:
OH THAT ONE. Didn’t Liotta’s career go down the pan shortly after that?
Posted on Fri, 21 November 2003 at 08:09
#24
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
motherh666 wrote:
OH THAT ONE. Didn’t Liotta’s career go down the pan shortly after that?
Yes, and it probably has to do with the movie: a bad one full of typical American moralism. Oh, I hate
that so very very much.
By the way; hats off to all those 300,000 (read that very carefully ianrauk!) protesters in London yesterday! You were fucking great!
Posted on Fri, 21 November 2003 at 18:53
#25
ianrauk wrote:
Official police and governmrnt reports put the count at 70,000 people.
3ddo-on-the-balcony wrote:
Yes, and it probably has to do with the movie: a bad one full of typical American moralism. Oh, I hate
that so very very much.
By the way; hats off to all those 300,000 (read that very carefully ianrauk!) protesters in London yesterday! You were fucking great!
Posted on Sun, 23 November 2003 at 21:05
#26
ianrauk’s post on Sun, 23 November 2003 at 21:15 was deleted by a moderator
#27
'human?'? wrote:
government and police officials couldn’t count the number of matches in an empty box, sources will always disagree, the point is there were a shitload of people there.
Posted on Sun, 23 November 2003 at 21:30
#28
ianrauk wrote:
I quiet agree with you, both the sources are open to question.
Posted on Sun, 23 November 2003 at 21:33
