#61
nice guys wrote:
Really, really sad and bad news.
Well, Martin, good luck for the future! Keep on rockin’!
Maybe you can start a band with Fyfe and Graham now…
And Michael, Andy and Neil: ROCK ON!!!!!!
St.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 12:22
#62
MarkoJii (Evil Twin) wrote:
I’m sure gonna miss times like these but keep Therapy? going on Andy, Micheal and Neil!!!!!!
(Before changing the message boards’ software in August 2007 this post had a file attachment, which may return in the future)
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 12:45
#63
Beneath The underdog wrote:
Title: alan,
i’ve nothing against discussion, it’s the irresponsible apportioning of blame that riles me.
there are a whole variety of reasons why martin may have left that no one has even mentioned here.
at the end of the day it’s not our business or concern: listen to the next record, decide if you like it. continue to be a fan or don’t.
really, it’s that simple.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 13:13
#64
Alan wrote:
Hmm, I’m not blaming anyone for what happened. If it was over money issues, then so be it. I’m not going to blame the band, or Martin, for whatever reason this has happened - everyone has their own reasons for making decisions.
Who am I to say? I don’t have a clue what happened. I’m just giving one possible expanation. This discussion was always likely to happen once the band gave the very vague explanation of “professional” reasons for Martins departure.
Unless they explain in more detail what happened, then everyone may have their own ideas to share. It’s human nature to be curious.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 13:35
#65
innerdrive wrote:
I don’t know why i don’nt know if i want to hear the reason. T? just keep on rocking and martin good luck to you. Thanks for what you did for T?
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 13:42
#66
Misanthropologist (d) wrote:
Alan wrote:
It’s human nature to be curious.
I wonder why…
Seriously though, I agree. It may be nice to say that it is/should be just about the music, but this isn’t just a faceless band that we can easily ignore, and disregard what happens within it. WE want to know because we care, though it often doesn’t work out like that.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 13:44
#67
Krisken wrote:
Beneath The underdog wrote:
i’ve nothing against discussion, it’s the irresponsible apportioning of blame that riles me.
there are a whole variety of reasons why martin may have left that no one has even mentioned here.
at the end of the day it’s not our business or concern: listen to the next record, decide if you like it. continue to be a fan or don’t.
really, it’s that simple.
Hm… since this outcome will definately have an effect on the future sound both in recordings and live performances, I’d have to disagree with you that it’s not our business or concern. We are fans. We do listen to the records, attend the shows, purchase the merchendise, support the band by spreading news of them and their continued existence through word of mouth.
If the band wanted to end all speculation, they would just come out and say why Martin was no longer a part of the band, rather than offer an ambiguous answer.
Imagine all the songs that will sound odd live, or the elements that might be missing from future records with the loss of the contributions made by Martin.
All these reasons and more make me and other fans wonder at what caused this sudden event to take place.
Anyways… To Martin- I hate to see you go. I hope this turns out to be the best thing for you, no matter the reasons.
To Andy, Michael, and Neil- May this be the best thing for you as well, no matter the reasons. Good luck, and I look forward to the next album!
Your fan,
Brian
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 13:50
#68
Distorted wrote:
i really think that all we can do here is speculate. we are going to have to wait until the band issue either a fuller statement or else do some press. up until then we are at nothing
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 13:56
#69
Don't Call Me Honey wrote:
innerdrive wrote:
T? just keep on rocking and martin good luck to you. Thanks for what you did for T?
what s/he said.
all the best for the future, and, seconded, also a big thank you, to martin. respect to andy, michael and neil.
and apart from that, considering we have no idea what this is about or what led to the decision, I think we’d best all take a step back.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 14:23
#70
Citizen Erased (confused again) wrote:
Why would money be an issue? Everyone’s said about how Martin added a lot to the band, so surely the consequence of that thought (not saying I agree with it) is that T? without him is not so good? Not so good bands tend to earn less! I admit that £75k* between 3 people would leave them more each than £80k between 4, but I’ve never heard of a band making a member ‘redundant’ before, and I suspect that the real numbers wouldn’t stack up to support this argument.
*Figures for illustration only and are not indicative of actual returns ;)
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 15:15
#71
Michael wrote:
This is fucked up! I am going to miss him, as he is a great musician and one helluva bloke.
Martin, good luck with everything you’re going to do in the future, and thanks for the great years during which you were an indispensable member of the band!
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 15:42
#72
motherh666 wrote:
Now I know why all the girls went crazy when Robbie left Take That. :D
I hope it all turns out for the best and we still have T?
In some form or other, am very sorry to Martin leave though. very.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 15:55
#73
Citizen Erased (confused again) wrote:
That was because they thought they’d no loger have a need for their ‘Robbie, Robbie, show us your knobbie!’ banners - this never happened with T? because ‘Martin, Martin, please stop fartin!’ doesn’t have qite the same ring to it!
Robbie then went on to greater solo success though…
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 16:07
#74
RobbyVDH wrote:
Krisken wrote:
If the band wanted to end all speculation, they would just come out and say why Martin was no longer a part of the band, rather than offer an ambiguous answer.
I totally agree… if Andy claims that Therapy? fans are the best fans in the world, I think we at least deserve some decent explanation here, not this kind of rock ‘n’ roll bullshit :(
To me it’s about showing some respect for your fans as well.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 16:19
#75
Standinline wrote:
>Another Really Strange Thing is…
Yesterday I find out that Paradise Lost-Drummer, Lee Morris, Has left Paradise Lost and now…
Mr.M. is leaving T?
Why now all of a sudden…My 2 Favourite Bands..:)
Strange…:)
// stand In Line.:):(:(:(
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 16:40
#76
Standinline wrote:
All the Best to Mr.Martin,
you put a unique Sound to T?…!!!
Hope to see you together with:
Brendan Perry or Dead Can Dance again:):)
Cheers!!:)
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 16:42
#77
fie78 wrote:
it’s a sad day!!
Martin is leaving therapy?
never expected that ever would happen…:(
i wish Martin all the best,with what ever he’s doing now and with what he’s goig to do…
and the rest of you 3 T? dudes…ROCK ON!!!!!!
and keep on bringing smiles on our faces!!! ;)
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 16:54
#78
arvid4prez wrote:
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 17:02
#79
mooneycult wrote:
Citizen Erased wrote:
Why would money be an issue? Everyone’s said about how Martin added a lot to the band, so surely the consequence of that thought (not saying I agree with it) is that T? without him is not so good? Not so good bands tend to earn less! I admit that £75k* between 3 people would leave them more each than £80k between 4, but I’ve never heard of a band making a member ‘redundant’ before, and I suspect that the real numbers wouldn’t stack up to support this argument.
*Figures for illustration only and are not indicative of actual returns ;)
Yes, but Therapy? are not nearly as big as they once were. They haven’t had an album that made a serious dent in the charts since semi-detached, and even that was considered to be a flop.
I’d hate to think its true, butit is very possible that Andy and the rest thought that T? could only be financially viable as a 3 piece. Remember, these guys have families to support.
I really hope thats not the reason Martin left though.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 17:10
#80
motherh666 wrote:
I see that, but they have a record contract, they bring out albums regularily, they tour near enough half of the year.
This isn’t some small time band having to hold down jobs at the same time to make ends meet.
Fair enough they are not The Stones, but it can’t be that bad.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 17:24
#81
RobbyVDH wrote:
I hope so too that money alone was not the primary reason, if that is more important than friendship these days, my disappointment is even bigger :(
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 17:25
#82
BruceBruce wrote:
My guess would be that he left for financial reasons as well. Not to do with the other band members being greedy or anything but I’m sure they all have families to support and as a few people have mentioned Therapy? aren’t as popular as they used to be.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 17:28
#83
Shra-Mee wrote:
My first thought on that topic:
Wow.
Second thought: Fuck.
Can´t believe, that Martin has been kicked out of the band. That sounds a bit too “easy”
But it´d be quite interesting to have some further information by the “rest” of the band concerning Maritin leaving the band.
I don´t wanna be pessimistic, but for me it sounds like another “way down” for T?.
Martin was a very important factor for T?-live performances, as a he did a fine job on the guitar/cello and as a “second voice”.
I think it might be very hard for Mr. “Lumberjack-fingers” (*g*) Cairns to compensate a missing McCarrick.
Hopefully the songwriting goes in another “new” direction. don´t need another “biker-rock” album like “Shameless” and I don´t want a second Troublegum/High-Anxiety.
And shouting out to Andy, Michael and Neil: please invent a new Therapy?, as you always did…
And to Martin: All the best for your future, you´re a great musician!!
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 18:08
#84
FATRIFFS wrote:
I have to say,it’s sad when things like this happen ,but people move on ,we all move on.
On a positive note ,I prefered T?’s sound as a 3 piece.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 18:19
#85
Flo (Fleur) wrote:
I hope that somebody will step forward and give some more information about Martin leaving Therapy?.
Everybody is guessing and people are trying to think of an explanation, it all seems so strange. I mean I don’t have to know all the details but I think that all fans really want to know WHY??
I hope that Martin will respond just like Graham did when he left.
This whole situation does not feel like it is right.
First they talk about new material and everyone is looking forward to hear it and now this terrible news.
I personally think it is a great loss, especially live and the cello parts.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 18:48
#86
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
RobbyVDH wrote:
if Andy claims that Therapy? fans are the best fans in the world, I think we at least deserve some decent explanation here
Krisken and RobbyVDH are absolutely right. Off course we go on speculating, even rediculous possibilities like ‘money’ are mentioned. The only thing Andy, Michael and Neil can, must and have to do is be open to all of us and explain why Martin had to leave. I think we have a right to ask this from the band and we certainly deserve to know the exact reason, unless Martin himself asks us not to dig deeper into this matter.
So on behalf of all the fans I strongly urge Therapy? to put an end to all speculations and come out with the truth!
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 19:05
#87
FATRIFFS wrote:
I’m a fan & i’m not bothered about him leaving.Just deal with it people.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 19:15
#88
RobbyVDH wrote:
You don’t sound like a fan in my opinion, or you don’t know Martin at all… else you would not make such a comment like that… he was a member for 9 fucking years, show some respect :mad:
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 19:26
#89
3ddo-on-the-balcony (eddo) wrote:
Tell him RobbyVDH! Only someone who doesn’t know Martin would react the way FATRIFFS does.
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 19:33
#90
RobbyVDH wrote:
I’m glad we have the same opinion about this one ;)
Posted on Fri, 19 March 2004 at 19:37
