Wall of Mouths

Sorry man, I’m all Zils - just got my new hats today- 14” Z custom top on an A Custom mastersound bottom- tasty! :D

But at that price why not have a stab? Loads of drummers love Meinl!

No no, its not a picture per say. Its a bit of the new Zildjian site where you can fuck about with cymbal setups for hours, gotta login/register first but its a some sad drummer fun! :p Doesn’t seem quite finished yet but theres most of the Zildjian range on there to mes with.

On the topic of drums for just a sec has anyone seen or played with this yet?

http://www.zildjian.com/en-US/products/configurator/

rocking roxy wrote:

double bass drums! :D

Is the right answer! :D

Hmmmm…the thread appears to be doing one in a new direction. This means we’re missing a certain someone to make the change complete… who of all(roy) the people on the WoM could that be? ;) :D

Recording went belly up- I’m now down to six hours this weekend. The guy left it too late to book it and so they were putting protools into the studio and I could only get 3 hours then or six this sat. Bit more rushed but hopefully it’ll be cool.

Tama Bell Brass eh? Nice, but expensive- I played on a 14” X 3.5” I think the shallow one anyway- that was £400 second hand! Happy hunting though mate :)

*Thinks of jammyness* :)

aye, recording shall be fun this time- last time it was in a garage and I had 3hours from getting there to leaving- and I did four tracks, so it sucked. This time its 12hours min over two days in a studio. Thank god!

Nice pick of drummers by the way- but get some Fyfe/Grahman/Super Cooper in there ;) :)

Do you have any picks of the kit you could put up on here? Theres an old one of mine on this thread somewhere- page or so back

Nothing wrong with the little toms! I love the 10” on my kit- its so punchy!

How long have you been playing and who are your personal fave/most inspiring players MFAAL? (its a long name man, sorry ;) Welcome to the WoM though :) )

I get to go into a studio for free on the 16th and 17th to record the drum tracks for my bands demo- I get to walk into a studio one morning and my kit will be waiting, all setup and whatnot! :D The main thing though is that I get to record both my bass drums on the go for the first time! Fuck I’m excited!

My first thought on those cymbals was that they look cool but but surely would kill the sound as whatever it is thats going over the cymbal would start to fill in the grooves on it and you’d lose tone and projection.

Weird things those cymbals…

Seeing as I’ve finally put these pics from over a year ago together I thought I’d put the result up here, its certainly not the best effort pic-wise but nevermind. The kits grown since then too- extra bass drum, elimantor pedals and little things like a cymbal stacker off the china and a stick bag hung off the 14” tom.

Enjoy!?

(Before changing the message boards’ software in August 2007 this post had a file attachment, which may return in the future)

Singerland eh? I’ve never played on a singerland so I don’t know too much about them except for all the obvious stuff. Its the same for me with Rogers even though I know a guy with two Rogers kits. What would go for after the Singerland?

Just as another little offshoot- I met a drummer in a pub a few weeks back, within 5 minutes we’d lost the people who were with us, appaerently my mates heard “Oh, I’m a drummer too!” and decided to run before I kept them there like normal “We’ll be done in a sec!” for a hour or so. I do remember discussing our fav rudiments, how very drummer eh? So off course the question is, fav rudiments everyone? :) I think I like my 5 stroke rolls abit too much- I try putting them in any/everywhere I can- even right in the middle of metal songs just to see if I can do them.

Oh, and another, having given the setups, has anyone got any pics of their kit? I was thinking of taking some of mine and Squall asked me about it as well so I think I may finally get it done and put some up. Maybe we could have an award for cheesiest facial expression while playing as well? Maybe not :)

I’m not sure if I’m the first to say this but welcome to the WoM!

Those kits sound pretty damn impressive man! The thing is over here (England anyway) DW are sort of known for being expensive. I looked up a kit somewhere between your setups to give an idea;

DW collectors red onyx
20 X 16
8 X 7
10 X 8
12 X 9
14 X 11 H (does that H means it needs a holder?)

This comes out at £1999. I stuck that in a currency convertor and it came out at about $3500 just for those shells and no hardware! My entire kit has cost my around £4000 or a bit more- have a look back up this thread for it. Well, when that lottery win happens eh? :)

I have to say though I personally don’t know anyone has a bad word to say about DW’s and the drum mags I read always love them.

Not too sure on the Mapex front, I know two huys with Mapex kits and I played on one of them at a gig. However the guy had clearly never touched the lugs and the heads were old and badly worn so he messed up the sound of the entire kit. They do seem pretty popular though from the amount you see around at gigs and what not. Still, your probably best waiting for one of the other guys to reply about Mapex because they play them and know more about them than I do. :)

Can’t argue with that list! :) If I started thinking about it though, I’d start listing everyone I’ve ever heard! Bonham, Mitchell etc…

Just on clinics- I saw Steve Smith a few years ago and he was amazing- playing between two kits at once while pulling different pieces of each in to make a new one, pretty immpressive way to end!

Squall- a paiste man, a useful man! I’ve just bouhght the latest issue of rhytym- its got an interview with Joey from Slipknot, hes got White, and I mean plastic coated looking white, cymbals. Do you know what the hell this is?

Oh and think I should say that your ride setup sounds pretty special and individual man, which begs the question- what drummers do you draw inspiration from?

Think thats it, but I’m drunk so… :)

I used to be of the Tama mindset because so many people I liked used them. Then I found my oaks and fell in love with them! Second to them I quite like Pearl- within in that, I prefer the birch to the maple. Pearl hardware kicks ass too, so when I have the money for that rack…
:)

Cheers man :)

That loan isn’t far off! Once I get it I can start bying/ordering stuff. It may even clear on friday- just in time for the Manchester gig. Now that would make for a great night!

All I’ve got to do now for a perfect week is shake off my evil, recurring tendonitis and a cold. Quick! To the medicine draw!!!! :D

Yeah I’ve been emailing Pearl about it as part of my reaserch and I reckon in a few months when my monies get sorted out I will go in for a rack with all the little extra bits I can get on it aswell- it’ll make everything so much easier- positioning, setting up, breaking down.

Yeah- a rack is the way forward :D

That is actually a very good idea. I’ve not really considered a rack before for more than a day and theres no reason why. The only thing that may be a problem would be the diameter of the posts that Yamaha use for the YESS mountings fitting with the Pearl stuff.

At the moment my 10” and 12” toms are mounted on a Yamaha tri-holder but the tri-holder itself is mounted in an old Premier stand because the Pearl ones wont take it- too small if I remember correctly. Hmmm…

Actually, the YESS arm for the 14” is held to the cybmal stand with a Pearl AX-20 (I think, could be wrong) clamp. This could well work!

Right! I’m going to go and email a guy at Pearl, download the latest Pearl hardware catalogue and then do my research without leaving the house because my head is far too hungover!

Cheers man- an inspired suggestion! :D

I don’t mind what cymbals I’m getting- if i like the characterists of it, I’ll by it- but Zildjian only- I’m biased but I know I shouldn’t be! :0

I just don’t want all Z Customs because it kind of narrows down what I can play style wise and the variety in tone- I prefer to get a broad spread so I’ll probably wind up covering most of the ranges and mess with putting rivets in some and other silly things! :) Oh, if I had the money, or an endorsement (yeah right!) :D

I know what you mean about people being impressed by gear! Its so funny! My band knows a few local bands that think they’re rockstars and when they ramble about their gear we always bring ours up- much better and more of it :)

Yeah- I want to get the trash hats out on the right between the china and the ride. However a remote eliminator pedal will cost me about £230, so not just yet. As much as playing open handed I want to group my other ride sounds together- ride, china, extra hats and the rock crash for some noisey crash riding! I’ll also put the swish over there when I finally get it.

I haven’t actually got any projection stuff myself but a mate has a 17” projection crash and says its the best cymbal hes ever played and heard. Personally I’m trying to avoid buying all Z Customs and looking like the guy from Creed! ergh!

Have you (or anyone for that matter) seen or tried those titanium Zildjians yet? I haven’t even seen one myself but I’m quite interested in hearing them or chatting to someone who has.

Well six toms is twice the number I have! :)
Actually, two snares is aswell!

Yeah, Ive got a cymbal addiction- I’ve not actually got enough stands for cymbals anymore so when its birthday and Christmas time and people say “We don’t know what to get you!” I just give them a Pearl catalogue with certain things circled and send ‘em to the shops!

I’m torn between getting a 20” Oriental China or an A series one- I really like both of them but money constraints and all that. I think I need at least two more crashes aswell! Wheres that lottery win when you need it?! :)

I also want to look into getting a swish- not sure of size or finish yet but I have briefly played on a 20” traditional finish one that sounded great, but the next time I went into the shop it had gone.

What are you considering in terms of the second pair of hats? I’d recomend some Zildjian trash hats. I’ve got a pair and they sound cool! Only problem is that with an earplug in they dont seem to have enough sustain and can sound a bit dead- leading to some overplaying at gigs. In reality though, they seem to cut through anything and make a cool and distinctive ride sound if opened a touch and used instead of the ride itself. Anyway, thats just my thought eh? :D

Oh and don’t think I’m rich with that second bass drum- almost my entire kit is owned by the student loans company! :D

Cheers!

Cooper’sdrummer wrote:

Hay saten. I know you would probably quash the idea, but whynot buy a 16 x 13 inch suspended floor tom, and then when it comes to an 18 inch tom, move your 14 inch tom up next to the 12 inch rack tom.

Nah, I wouldn’t quash it- I can see what your saying but I dont know if I’d do it myself. The way I mine setup is so that my china is right above the right hand bass drum (Lars Ulrich rip-off I know) just for the muscle memory aspect of thinking “Snare and china, now! BANG!!!” and having it nice and noisey! I also like to use the china for riding quite a bit when hammering the bass drums. And I (probably quite sadly) think it looks cooool! :D

I may try it out though and mess around with the setup- after all, why not?

Looking at your setup though man- it must be a massive bank of toms! :D And as we all know you can never have too many drums and cymbals eh?

Ah, drums… :)

I know you and Ratamahatta both love the Mapex but I’ll tell you the Yammy’s still kick ass!!!

Yeah, the 18” will kick ass. The main thing that was said was about the “jump” in size between what’ll be the floors- 14” X 12” to an 18” X 18”. But they dont get it- thats what I want!! Its a meaty beast of a drum! Just wish I had the cash- well, my last ever student loan payment comes in at the end of April :D

Hmmm…maybe I’ll get it, maybe…

It doesn’t seem that basic- standard number of tubs maybe but its an export so at least you know the drums are good. Also seems like a good selection and amount of cymbals. I think the for that price you got a very good deal! 2 or 3 of the cymbals would cost more than that new! My ride and 17” crash come to more than that. Actually- you got a very, very good deal! :)

My first kit cost £150 second hand and it showed- I think the make was “Linko” and it came with “Made in Taiwan” stickers! Rock!

Very light too- the 14” floor tom off the Oak kit weighs about the same as the bass drum from the first kit which was 22” X 16”- probably basswood at that level.

Oh yeah and the first thing I bought for it was a Pearl double pedal and that cost £175. That pedal has only just retired- lasted about 8 or 9 years. Sort of shows the kit eh? Well, at least the kit makes me appreciate the Oak beasty!

Thats another thing on my list for kit expansion- another tom. I want to put an 18” X 18” floor tom on it but everyone I’ve said that to thinks its a silly idea and I should get an 8” mounted one- fools! I want a evil meaty bugger for double stops and rolls like thunder :D

Other stuff I want would definately by more cymbals- some more ‘off the beaten track’ ones like swishes and to mess about with putting rivets in stuff. Oh and lots more chinas because I love ‘em! :)

Yeah the bassist in my band has got me doing things I’ve not tried before (in a musical sense!) and I feel I’ve improved alot for it. It good when that happens.

I once jammed with a bassist who was obsessed with Dream Theatre and it just didn’t work. That’ll be the other end of he spectrum then.

Oh and if your kit, or your drummer’s kit was an animal, what would it be? No ignore that, I’m drunk.

I’d say try a Z Custom for ting and ping- they’ve got tonnes. The only problem with mine is because its a 22” and so heavy, it takes a while to respond and get the wash going unless I really lay into it but then it doesn’t want to stop :)

I tune my 10” tom a little higher aswell but not nealy high enough to get that Fyfe sound- I do want a second snare that I can crank right up though, but I can’t afford it at the moment and I’m not sure exactly what to go for.

Cool! This is my machine of neighbour annoyance and I’ve spent more of my student loan on it than anything for uni and it feels good!

Yamaha Oak Custom (Blue Ridge Blue Oak)
22” X 17” Bass Drum 2 - because its more metal that way!
10” X 9” Tom
12” X 10” Tom
14” X 12” “Floor” Tom - its mounted of a cymbal stand but its down on the right.
14” X 5” Snare- Oak in blue ridge as well.

Cymbals;
Zildjians-
22” Z Custom Ride
18” A series Rock Crash
17” A Custom Crash
18” Z Custom China
10” A Series Splash
10” K Series Splash
9” Trash Splash
14” Z custom(top)/A mastersound hats.
12”/14” Oriental Trash Hats

Pearl hardware including a pair Eliminators for the BD’s
Protection Racket cases
Oh I use Ahead sticks quite a bit but not all the time.

I’ve seen and messed around in shops with Tama hardware but I just stuck with pearl because it was the first brand I bought and I like to have it all matching, oh and its good stuff too. Quite like the idea of the Tama series that leans in towards the drummer- nice idea and it looks cool.

Title: Kits of the World

After looking at the other posts I could find by using the search and putting in “kits” I thought;

1. No one really seems to have talked of their own kits, yet other gear gets discussed such as distortion units and whatnot.

2. Yet in other threads alot of people do seem to enjoy “talking shop” so why dont we do that eh?

Thus I hatched a plan to start this and ask what kits people have and any other bits and bobs about them which may be interesting. Then I had a third thought, oh yes, a third;

3. Even though we’re talking drums and its on the Therapy? board, lets try to avoid getting side tracked and the names Fyfe, Graham and Neil being in the same post, especailly when “better” and “worse” come up too. Please? :)

What does anyone else think? Should we begin?