Wall of Mouths

hey guys im in france and im kicking assssssssss

exactly ^ I didn’t go for any of the bands but had a great time just dancing my tits off in the dance tents and found a couple of great bands I’d never heard on, only by chance. Silent Disco, Circus.. worked in a cafe for an hour in return for food :D bought a skirt, a poncho and an extreme weather mask.. went to the solar powered cinema.. got interviewed by the guardian.. fell asleep in various places and met some great characters :D

I came back at 6ish on the sunday because I live locally and I was totally knackered with a blister on my little toe that is pretty much my little toe now.

Why fuck Glastonbury? It was excellent this year, my first year too. Lush weather and tonnes of raaaaaaaaaaaaaving :D

Who here went to Glastonbury festival this year?

I’d was so kick ass and the weather was lush..

I saw a guy wearing a TPY shirt on the Sunday.. a gray one with the Gemil in a target.. was it anyone here? I shouted maniacally at them as I walked by :D

I wish I could understand what she’s saying.

I wouldn’t give her any money even if she was “beating on my dick”. sounds a bit painfull.

mrs h wrote:

There isn’t a simple answer to that, everyone is an individual and some things shouldn’t down to law. That’s why we have teams of professional people who work with prisoners and who decide what is the best way to help them. Just like we do for children in care, teenage mothers and drug addicts. There shouldn’t be a fixed number of times that you try - it should be down to experienced people to make the decision as to whether it is feasible to offer second chances. But in general I would say that the worse the person’s problems the harder you should try.

I’m sorry for tugging on everyones rags I think i’ve been a bit misunderstood though. I DO agree with rehabilitation and reeducation to get people out of poverty or drug traps but I was mostly wondering what would be done with people when they have attempt after attempt to help them but they reject it. Naturally there is some point when people would give up trying to help someone, for instance spending £1m ridding someone of drugs is a lot of money that could be used to improve multiple peoples lifestyles or chunks of society. I was just wondering what comes after that for that person..?

I want to make clear I DON’T ADVOCATE capital punishment being thrown around and admittedly my first two posts were not meant to be serious but then felt it’d be interesting to pursue the topic. However, would it be wrong to put a mass murderer such as a terrorist to death?
(That is; avoiding any conspiracies that they are actually an innocent person who’se been framed, i.e; they’re guilty.)

mr self destruct wrote:

And you believe this propaganda!

I’m dissapointed you don’t realise I don’t believe it since it was in quotes!

Let me make it clear I DONT THINK they truly “welcome it with open arms”, which is obvious as when they did ask the public to vote they rejected it but then the people in higher power to accept it. That’s not democracy they’re asking us and if we don’t like it they say fuck it and do it anyway ‘cause they think it’s better for us.

I’m genuinly upset you think I believed it :(

Also, the Lisbon Treaty; Greece and Italy (i think it was these two I could be wrong) who rejected it last time with a public vote have this time had it done when the public don’t vote and the government (or whoever; higher powers) make the final decision and suddenly the public of concerned countries are “welcoming it with open arms” or “overjoyed that the treaty has been passed” - It was on the Lisbon Treaty official website.

@Kill Hill: I’m not gonna pretend I’m hard done by but my Myspace page lacks stories of hardship because I don’t agree with advertising your problems, issues or difficulties with the world. I used to have pages of whiny blogs when I was about 13-15 but since then take a different stance on it.

It costs 5 times as much to inprison someone than to rehabilitate them, why would anyone in their right mind disagree with doing that. But say you rehabilitate someone and get them off drugs and they get addicted again.. what then? Repeat the process over and over?

@ Mrs_H: “Also I think you are confused about rehabilitation / reeducation - these are things that happen whilst the prisoner is locked up, not instead of.”
I’m not confused about them, it was a kind of “What if..?” As in 1) Inprison them or, 2) Rehab them or, 3) Prison and rehab, etc.

Lets forget the death sentence for a moment because I’m not advocating guillotining everyone who commits murders or robs X times. What I’m saying (Sorry if this wasn’t clear) is how much do you rehabilitate / re-educate someone before you realise it’s a lost cause? And then, what do you do with them?

I think the current system is too lenient on criminals. If someone repeat offends commiting burglaries 10 times (with rehab) why would they ever change, and, they’ve already had their chance. (Having a “chance” is unfair? How unfair is it for the people they rob/mug/whatever)

It’s not as black and white as minor offence and then 50 points on you get a serious; it would all be tiered and each time you’d serve a greater sentence / punishment before breaking a threshold for a higher tier of punishments or sentences.

How many times should a burglar be released/reeducated/rehabilitated with no effect before you’d want something to happen? And then what would that be?

It depends on the severity of their crime.

Like I said, it’s a bit of a gray area and it would have to be all written out so I could see it before I agreed to anything but generally; repeat serious offence = Life inprisonment or death penalty.

Less serious offences - rehabilitation. Repeat offences you build up “points” (or, whatever kind of system you want to call it) escalating to be worth a more serious offence. Say you commited 100 robberies and showed no signs of being re-educated (100 re-offending is far too much anyway.. but as an example) then the person is past rehabilitation and is of no worse to society; they are a burden.

Of course this is only a brief outline.

Why should a second person suffer because a murder or rapist is released?

If there was a better way to analyse people and put them into categories of murderer and non-murderer it would simplify it hugely but we can’t, so why release them when we can lock them away. Yes it seems mad (akin to carrying a knife and stabbing everyone incase they have a knife and stab you). If a family or friend of mine was raped/murdered by a person who had been released from commiting that previously i’d be seriously pissed off and I’d probably say “Why was that fucker ever released? He did it before so why would he NOT do it again, why the hell was he released..”

So how many times should a burglar be released/reeducated/rehabilitated until something happens? Or do we do it forever until they die of old age?

Cheaper to keep someone in a low-quality prison than constantly pay to reeducate/rehabilitate them and pay for damages they may cause if they are a repeat offender.

Then;
At what point do you consider they’ve had enough rehab and should be left in jail?

I didn’t say rehab was a waste of time and money, I agree we should rehabilitate criminals. The waste of money is when we rehabilitate them repeatedly, more than once and twice, and only then produce results or possibly no results at all.

The taxpayer has to pay for all the rehabilitation, too. Is it worth rehabilitating someone (repeatedly, mind you) when they may not even give back to society?

No, you weren’t being ironic because you then just said again that I need re-education. Basically according to you I need reeducation until I think just like you do.

Death penalty obviously doesn’t help the person but how many times do you rehab someone before you finally give up? 5? 100?

I’m not saying you shouldn’t rehab and educate people but what do you do when it simply doesn’t work? Throw in the towell and kill them then?

Also, I’m not trying to step on toes here and start an argument so can we just keep this “friendly”? ‘cause I happen to like you lot :P

Mrs H - “If you don’t agree then Sam, Kill Hill and myself will lock you up indefinitely until without any support or re-education you spontaneously change your views…”

Mr Self Destruct - “Not being funny but you seem to need some education yourself if you..”

Isn’t that kinda ironic, locking me up or re-educating me until I agree with you?

Also; what if the criminal doesn’t want rehabilitation or reeducation? Just keep giving it to them every time they offend?

@Mrs_H: I wasn’t saying anyone should be locked up until their views change, that would be undoubtebly wrong. I was saying offenders should be locked up, not every tom dick and harry who has a different opinion to the government or whoever is in power at whatever time. People are entitled to their opinions.

@Mr Self Destruct: Why should I need re-educating for approving of capital punishment? It’s not like “oh they robbed a shop, lets lynch ‘em”. It would be for the very worst crimes, and only if we didn’t have space in the prisons. Keeping someone in prison indefinitely would likely be a worse fate than being drugged and poisoned.

Sorry to keep this off-topic again.

But if they were given educating before why would they accept it now?

But why re-educate them when they had a chance of education before? You can re-educate them over and over again and some are just gonna be bad apples and at the end of the day that’s an arse load of money you’re spending on them.

If anything:
Most serious offenders - Lifetime sentence (not the 12 years they get currently).
Medium offences - Rehabilitation and serve time.
Minor offences - Rehabilitation, serve time and released.

And if they’re a repeat offender, no more rehab. Why keep reeducating and rehabiliating someone when they’re just going to do it again. Not gonna let them piss on my chips like that.

Obviously theres a few gray areas there which would be cleaned up with some ‘splainin.

In that case we should put our prisoners to work building more prisons and houses

Capital Punishment sounds a good idea

Being an English person, why have I not even heard of this despite being quite tuned into the news?

If you’re going to download and like dark and slightly risky humour check out JASON ROUSE - hes a comedian and he’s doing his thing when most other decent bands ain’t playing so check him out, he’s funny as anything.

Played my girlfriend some Infernal love and she loved it and bought Troublegum which she liked too. She says Andy can’t sing though? I dunno about that but I am tone deaf. She also really enjoyed shameless, mainly the pretty upbeat tracks.

5:00: “This is what it sounds inside my brain, when im waiting..” *screeech*

Wow.

So odd how every T? fans seems to hate him but he’s like “oh, Screamager, best riff E-V-E-R!!”

You missed out 2,1,1 to bring it back down, but it was good yes :)

Neil
And
Andy,
Michael will
rock your flaming hole
seriously seriously

It’s poetic too because it’s a new type of poem called a “fib” whereby it follows the fibonaci (sp) sequence of numbers. Start with 1, then the next number is the sum of the previous two.
1
1
2
3
5
8
Each line of the poem has syllabels equivalent to the numbers.

So it’s artistic and creative.