Wall of Mouths

I’m not personally criticizing MMcK and Misanthropoligist I’m not trying to have a competition to prove I’m right
To me you’re not answering my question just saying I;m wrong and you’re right because you said so…just forget about ego for a second imagine I’m a just robot puzzling the idea:
I think he’s decision to involve himself with the above concepts/ormats(TV Rock school/talent show Pop idolect) is a mistake because it’s surely counter to what T? are about,
because Tv talent shows/Rocks schools are…( mention before)… and so on(fame Acamady/ Pop Idol.
Does anybody see a point or fairness to this criticism?

Misanthropologist Im not sure if you’re committing to any of your points but I respect your defense of M McK
Would you defend the idea of TV musical talent shows or Rock school Tv if MMcK or T? weren’t involved?
As I said I am black and white on this, thats not a bad thing no splinters on my arse.
This is a Rock school TV show you cant compare it to a normal school or somebody studying music for themselves it’s primarily a TV show and competition (Popstars/ search for a star/Eurovision)
I think you can understand the concept of a Rock school TV show even if you haven’t seen it, (fame academy but with rock) I’m interested to simply know do you think it;s a good idea to support such a concept or is it unfair to question MMcK’S Judgment on this?

Dennis I agree you can do both.

But this again is on a tangent to my original idea/post. I’ve been pulled this way too. Most people feel I’m too critical and maybe my criticisms are too simple
but thats the way I see it, that simple.
Simple sees as simple is I guess. Maybe I’m guilty of black and whiting on this argument but it’s a swallow and chessboard to me.

Misanthropologist Personal vision and commercial success are linked in that they’re related to being in a band and can affect each other hence the idea of creating commercial suicide by releasing a noncommercial album Suicide Pact(the tiTle may have arisen from this idea). AJC has mentioned this many times during SPYF interview somewhere along the lines of fuck what the Label wanted we made a record for ourselves. You have a point about trying to win a competition on your own merits is a possible attitude, but I doubt somebody with a clear vision and drive would reduce their art to be judged by others along with the wannabes. Besides MMcK is involved in a worse idea rock school, by it’s very definition the function of a school is to teach or a place where teaching takes place which at least implies Rock school will teach the Rocker students how to rock or the teachers idea of what rock is., quiet the opposite from realizing your own personal vision, you might fail you mid-term Rock tests if you dont pay attention, head banging 101Tuesday at 3.30

No I’m not, I’m saying that personal vision is more important than commercial success . If you enter a competition this means you want to win the and the surest way to win is to please the judges (or what you imagine their ideal to be) therefore a band should try to appeal to the judges first relegating their personal vision to second place.

Good try Shade you almost had an opinion just gave up at the end ha ha (just joking)

I appreciate us T? fans are loyal and respect you for standing up for MMcK but I think it has to be questioned

I think the concept of the show is that simple. Shade I’m interested to know why you don’t think I’m being too critical.

Most people know all this already and Cobain admitted he stole the base line of Teen spirit from Gouge away by the Pixies, but in my opinion he certainly had his own vision.

But this again has nothing to do with my original point. My criticism of Mc Keegan is he’s supporting a format (band competition/rock school/ talent TV show) that I think a band such a Therapy? or any lover of music should be violently against.

I never said anything about ‘doing it right’ or ‘being successful’ or ‘credibility’ or generation defining music they’re your words (Although the bands I mentions did do things that way I only used them as popular reference, I could have said bands like Shellac, Torn gates etc.). I’m talking about individual artistic expression and vision. I’m saying their individuality and vision isn’t or wasn’t achieved through Rock school or taught by judges. infact Pop competitions and band competitions are killing music and creating generic sludge. I pay tribute to those bands that ‘died on their asses’ or died with their hands untied. There are plenty of bands still out there like that.(ones that I have heard of because the are amazing and passionate not because they’re famous, as you seem to imply that I or anyone have only heard of bands that have broken through or that are famous).
What are you talking about break through to what? it about making passionate and affecting music not singing on ‘The breakshow with Richard and Judy’
You don’t have to give up because you don’t have a top ten album (the wipers, Therapy?(suicide Pact)). It’s depressing to read some of the above points.
I don’t have to accept anything there is no matter of fact. Relax? Ulcers?, panic attacks? thats ok Doctor just as long as I get to keep my passion and rotate the wall of death one more time
NANE

Hoochalobster I can’t agree with you, I don’t think you’re wrong, I just won’t accept grays from the black.

Don’t drink tea instead I like to boil a pot of sugar, red-bull, iron brew and coffee and inhale the mix through my left nostril. My septum is worse than that guy from Status Quo.
During my last confession I sneezed and covered the Priest’s face in a white goo of skin and bone cartilage.

I don’t think he’s helping new bands if you want to do that then you should start a record label (like blunt) in fact I think his appearance is supporting the idea that a ‘Rock school’ is a good thing. ‘Rock school’ is fucking stupid and will never produce a band like The Clash, Nirvana, Therapy? or even a Metallica instead you’ll get another Busted or McFly or Maroon 5.
Music comes from the heart, soul and gut, not the ambitions of center stage lights. These are the all or nothing days. It’s all or nothing. This kind of shit should be rallied against and the bands that take part,the insincere, the liars with stars in their eyes should be crucified.
This is what T? should stand against.

Am I being too critical? Its just this Band competition that Michael McKeegan is judging for TV seems a million miles away from the Therapy? I’ve envisioned.
I think it’s embarrassing. Fair enough you could argue what he does outside T? is his choice but I believe in the all or nothing days. I think Therapy? should definitely be put first before any other ‘projects’ especially one as ridiculous as this “Rock Idol” shite.

OOPS didn’t see this thread

I hope T?’s new album is Dark and moody a mixture between the darkness of Infernal Love and metallic rust of Babyteeth

If I had a blender I’d mix: A moment of clarity/Me vs You/Badmother/Loser cop/Animal Bones/Nausea/Pervesonality/Unbeliever/
Little tongues First/Sprung/This ship is sinking/Knives/Rise up with the David Holmes sounds
linking each song
If You could imagine a sheet metal like Nurse guitar and Bass sound, Infernal love style singing and Lyrics
and that reverb-y off snare drum style on Babyteeth and NANE all with a huge expansive Antarctica-ish movie soundtrack production
Fucking Classic

Posted on Sat, 10 November 2007 at 00:21