Wall of Mouths

Joel wrote:

Yeah what a stupid idea to record an album with great rock tunes that everyone loved/loves which was critically acclaimed and sold by the bucket load leading to high up festival billings and all round general greatness. Absurd notion.

Except, if the band didn’t feel inspired to do so (which they didn’t) it wouldn’t have been so great. I think another album like Nurse, Crooked Timber, Troublegum, Infernal Love would be cool too but I just don’t think they could’ve done it, and I see them as greater musicians because they’re constantly broadening their horizons. You may not see Therapy? sell out huge stadiums right now (who cares anyway?), but who knows, people might pick up on this much later (as it often happens with things of great quality), so T?’s experimental albums could last longer than Motorhead and AC/DC part MMXIII (both great bands, btw). Therefore, I don’t think of it as a possibility. I think Andy said in an interview (it’s on Youtube and it has 5 parts, shouldn’t be too hard to find) that the band might’ve fallen apart if they had done that. The result of being commercially successful or trying to be it was Semi-Detached, which doesn’t bother me as much as the fact it seemed to have been made under a lot of pressure from the record company (which is why they made the radical SPYF later). The one time T? tried to stick to what they were familiar with was One Cure Fits All I believe, which had some great tracks but also a couple less-inspired ones which I don’t think they were very happy about. Also, the changing of the drummers had a lot of effect on them, as did Martin becoming a part of the band and then leaving again. You could say the change of sound happened naturally, for a bit.

chr1s wrote:

Yeah, TG has been done… No need to do another. Personally, i think the best thing about T?, is the fact that each and every album sounds completely different.

Amen! Amongst my other absolute favourite bands are Annihilator, Alice Cooper and Paradise Lost. You can figure out I like change. As long as it’s done well, I think variety in material proves a band has more musical talent (a bad example of this would be linkin park, lol). Sadly most people just want more of the same.

MisterHoppy wrote:

I don’t like much dubstep, certainly not from the last 5 years or so, but I love dub, that’s why I wanted to point out the difference is all.

I can imagine you would! x’) It’s ok, I just wanted to clarify I was reacting to people who actually said Therapy? had dubstep influences rather than just dub, I probably should’ve made that more clear.

garymartian wrote:

At least Therapy?’s dubstep influences are played by the musicians in the band, and are subtle.

There they go again, we just went over this! ;)

Why wasn’t I informed?

MisterHoppy wrote:

Seeing as were going with pipe-dreams hows about just an instrumental album? If only for me :-)

I know you’re kidding, but I’m still going to point out I like Andy’s vocals and lyrics waaaay too much for them to give them up :P That said I do like the instrumentals, Big Cave In most of all. Unique music that.

MisterHoppy wrote:

You’re confusing Dub and Dubstep mate, and despite the name Dubstep didn’t evolve from dub, it’s (well was back in 98 when the term first came about) a sort of combination of the darker elements of drum and bass and 2-step (a form of garage (not garage rock though) which is even shitter than most garage) before it evolved into what you hear today, DUB on the other hand is the forerunner to remixes (in fact a lot of the early dub pioneers were soundsystem engineers, King Tubby was an electrician and soundsystem operator), it’s a subset of reggae and often involves just the rhythm section of a track (sometimes cut up and re-dubbed) with loops of other instruments and sometimes snippets of vocals dropped in and out with a heavy use of reverb , echo and delay. It quickly became very popular within reggae so you got bands and producers making dub albums without using a vocal track as the starting point (the fact Jamaica didn’t have any copyright laws at the time helped a lot initially).
Basically Reggae has always had very very deep and heavy bass, dub took this a bit further and that’s why dubstep with it’s heavy heavy basslines got dub in its name.

I’m not so much the one confused, I did see people use the term dubstep in relation to T? (so maybe they’re the ones confused?), which is why I specifically asked him about any dubstep influences he heard (I’m pretty sure he knew about the difference as well and would’ve told me if I screwed up using those terms). It’s true I assumed dub and dubstep were related but the dubstep remarks were the ones that really bothered me ‘cos I was sure what it was, and I think it is shit =)

In the end, let’s just be happy T? doesn’t sound like Korn?

Really? I didn’t know that. My grandfather fought in the resistance and was almost killed a few times too, I just smirk at that line because I can relate to it and can imagine saying it to certain people (read: parasites). I think that’s what Andy intended as well because he’s very good (imo) in writing lyrics people can relate to in many different ways, which is one of T?’s prime strengths.